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  • Vegan Society Ambassador Fiona Oakes: Veganism is not "for everyone" and "it's not probably for very many people." - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    official response was issued Ms Oakes takes the approach that is taken by all of the bloated new welfarist flexible vegan animal charities including The Vegan Society we cannot promote veganism as a moral baseline because that would be to tell people what to do force people dictate to people be perceived as fundamentalist radical etc Promoting veganism as a moral baseline does not involve forcing anyone to do anything It is a matter of explaining to people that for the very reason that they think that it s wrong to harm dogs or stuff cats into rubbish bins most people already accept the moral principles that make veganism anything but radical That s the whole point I am sorry that Ms Oakes missed it And as is typical of the welfarist flexitarian crowd Ms Oakes does not engage the substantive criticisms Rather she reprimands those who criticize as being aggressive and hostile No Ms Oakes I am just critical of your making a statement on BBC Radio that trashes veganism as a moral principle and states that veganism is not for everyone and not probably for very many people And I am critical of your now attempting to cover by negatively depicting those who regard veganism as a moral imperative and saying that the alternative to selling out is forcing people and dictating to everyone what they should and should not do etc Ms Oakes is reinforcing the very stereotypes she claims to want to distance herself from Rather than making it clear that veganism makes a great deal of sense given other beliefs we unquestionably have as a cultural matter she reasserts and reinforces the notion that those who believe through reasoned analysis that veganism is a moral imperative are fundamentalist nutters Click image to enlarge Ms Oakes statement refers to the masses who won t be able to understand veganism as a moral principle What elitist rubbish And what a convenient excuse for someone who wants to be as uncontroversial as possible because she thinks that is the way to get more radio spots It s a good thing that the slavery abolitionist movement was not dependent on people like Fiona Oakes The slaves would still be picking cotton But Ms Oakes would be doing more radio shows Creative nonviolent vegan advocacy is the opposite of forcing and dictating It is using reason and commonly shared moral principles to get people to see a moral issue in a different light Fiona Oakes ought to try it sometime It works ADDENDUM added July 29 2014 Fiona Oakes was invited to appear on Go Vegan Radio with Bob Linden on August 3 2014 to discuss this with me Through her spokesperson she declined The response stated that the debate would be essentially detrimental to the animals and the vegan cause and that my comments on this matter were abusive Related posts You Can t Make This Stuff Up Vegan Society Ambassador Claims That Promoting Veganism as a Moral Baseline

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  • Profile of a Modern "Animal Activist": Jenna Wogirich - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    involves killing a human in a premeditated or deliberate way The mercy killing of a loved one suffering from a painful illness done out of love and compassion is premeditated killing and constitutes murder And Ms Woginrich clearly is killing animals with premeditation even if as she rather incredulously claims her heart is overflowing with gratitude love and respect for the nonhumans she exploits and kills This is of course not to say that Ms Woginrich is guilty of murder because murder is a crime defined to involve humans only But her claim that her mind state in killing animals is not the mind that would allow for a conviction of murder if a human were involved is like most of what else she says wrong Third Ms Woginrich s argument in a nutshell is we can t live perfectly so it s fine to kill nonhumans But that s just silly I agree that living involves indirectly harming nonhumans and humans When we build a road we know that some humans will be killed on that road Does that mean that there s no difference between building a road and intentionally killing humans Of course not I agree that everything we consume involves indirect harm to nonhumans and humans and that we all need to consume a great deal less But does the fact that the manufacture of a product may have resulted in the negligent death of a human or nonhuman mean that there s no difference between that negligent death and an intentional killing of a human or nonhuman Of course not I agree that the harvesting of crops involves unintentionally harming animals and humans who are killed or injured in the agricultural process But if we were all vegans there would be many fewer acres under cultivation Professor David Pimentel of Cornell University has written that livestock in the United States consume 7 times as much grain as is consumed by the entire U S human population and the grains fed to livestock could feed 840 million humans who had a plant based diet Should we do everything possible to avoid any unintentional nonhuman and human deaths that occur during harvesting Of course But does the fact that unintentional deaths will occur however careful we are mean that intentional deaths of nonhumans and humans are morally justifiable Of course not And if we all took veganism seriously as a fundamental moral issue would we develop better ways to avoid that unintentional harm Of course we would Ms Woginrich proudly proclaims that the animals that she raises and kills are being fed with local non GMO feed grown by our neighbors And do her neighbors harvest that feed without unintentionally killing animals No of course not So she s participating in the unintentional deaths and the intentional ones It is clear that her position that unintentional deaths cannot be avoided so the intentional ones are morally acceptable is frivolous on this basis as well In a passage

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  • This Morning's "I agree with you but" Email - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    moral obligation And this talk about journeys is even more annoying because it s almost always articulated by people who claim like you that they already recognize it s wrong to exploit animals They just need the time for the journey needed to conform their conduct to what they claim to acknowledge as their moral beliefs Sorry that s not a matter of any journey That s nothing more than a matter of being too selfish to conform one s conduct to what one claims to believe If we have a moral obligation to do X continuing to do not X is morally wrong End of story Telling yourself it s a matter of a journey is just a way of excusing yourself for doing something you know is wrong If you think I am being judgmental you are right I judge the exploitation of the vulnerable be they human or non to represent a profound sort of immorality You claim to have made that judgment as well You already know that going vegan is the morally right thing to do So just do it Here s a related blog post If you are not vegan please go vegan It s easy It s better for you and for the planet But most important it s the morally right thing to do It s what we owe other sentient beings Do it today Right now The World is Vegan If you want it Gary L Francione Board of Governors Distinguished Professor Rutgers University 2014 Gary L Francione Related posts Wayne Pacelle and I Agree Peter Singer and I Agree on One Thing Nonviolence The Paradigm Shift Requires Clarity About the Moral Baseline Veganism Making a Mockery of Gandhi Abolition Simple Concepts and a Pop Quiz Share this entry Share on

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  • I Brought The Vegan Society "Into Disrepute." I Insisted That The Vegan Society Be Vegan. - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    Watson I am doing research into Watson and it is clear to me that Watson was a moral realist who would never agree with the relativism that is the very foundation of your new approach In any event I would very much like to attend but given that I am in the United States I am requesting the accommodation of being able to attend by Skype If you want me to pay a membership fee as a condition of my virtual attendance I will remit that to you immediately Thank you Sincerely s Gary L Francione Professor Rutgers University I received the following reply click image to enlarge I have brought The Vegan Society into disrepute I have insisted that The Vegan Society promote veganism as a moral baseline How very sad If you are not vegan please go vegan Veganism is about nonviolence First and foremost it s about nonviolence to other sentient beings But it s also about nonviolence to the earth and nonviolence to yourself It s easy to go vegan and if you agree that animals have moral value it s the only rational thing to do The World is Vegan If you want it Gary L Francione Board of Governors Distinguished Professor Rutgers University 2014 Gary L Francione ADDENDUM Added August 6 2014 Information on the July 19 Meeting The following was posted concerning the July 19 meeting of The Vegan Society that I was prohibited from attending Click to enlarge ADDENDUM Added August 8 2014 More Information on the July 19 Meeting Click to enlarge Related posts The Vegan Society You Decide Vegan Society Ambassador Fiona Oakes Veganism is not for everyone and it s not probably for very many people The Vegan Society Corporate Partners With Sustainable Animal Agriculture You Can t Make

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  • New to Abolition? Start Here. - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    of this essay 3 The Problem With Single Issue Campaigns and Why Veganism Must Be the Baseline 4 Veganism Just Another Way of Reducing Suffering or a Fundamental Principle of Justice Nonviolence If you are not vegan please go vegan Veganism is about nonviolence First and foremost it s about nonviolence to other sentient beings But it s also about nonviolence to the earth and nonviolence to yourself It s easy to go vegan and if you agree that animals have moral value it s the only rational thing to do The World is Vegan If you want it Gary L Francione Board of Governors Distinguished Professor Rutgers University 2014 Gary L Francione Related posts Abolition Simple Concepts and a Pop Quiz Abolition Making Sure the Means and the End Are Consistent Philosophy Bites Audio Interview on Abolition Published Video of Rutgers Conference Animal Ethics Abolition Regulation or Citizenship Commentary 18 A Step Backward the Importance of Veganism and the Misuse of Abolition Share this entry Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Google Share on Pinterest Share on Linkedin Share on Tumblr Share on Vk Share on Reddit Share by Mail Français Visitez notre site miroir français Recent Posts Guest Essay This is Why New Welfarists Should Stop Equivocating on Moral Principles Concerning Animals A Response to Mercy For Animals Incremental Reform in the Human Context Is Not Analogous to Welfare Reform and Single Issue Campaigns in the Nonhuman Context The Animals Need YOU A Report from the Intersectional Justice Conference Why Welfare Reform Campaigns and Single Issue Campaigns Necessarily Promote Animal Exploitation When Intersectional Justice Means Promoting Meat Fish Dairy Imagine If There Were a Real Animal Rights Movement Challenging Peter Singer s Paternity Claim Business As Usual VegfestUK and the Animal Welfare Industry The Vegan Society

    Original URL path: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/new-abolition-start/ (2016-05-02)
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  • The Modern "Animal Movement" in a Nutshell (5) - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    thing to do The World is Vegan If you want it Gary L Francione Board of Governors Distinguished Professor Rutgers University 2014 Gary L Francione Related posts The Modern Animal Movement in a Nutshell 1 The Modern Animal Movement in a Nutshell 3 The Modern Animal Movement in a Nutshell 2 The Modern Animal Novement in a Nutshell 4 Speciesism in a Nutshell Share this entry Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Google Share on Pinterest Share on Linkedin Share on Tumblr Share on Vk Share on Reddit Share by Mail Français Visitez notre site miroir français Recent Posts Guest Essay This is Why New Welfarists Should Stop Equivocating on Moral Principles Concerning Animals A Response to Mercy For Animals Incremental Reform in the Human Context Is Not Analogous to Welfare Reform and Single Issue Campaigns in the Nonhuman Context The Animals Need YOU A Report from the Intersectional Justice Conference Why Welfare Reform Campaigns and Single Issue Campaigns Necessarily Promote Animal Exploitation When Intersectional Justice Means Promoting Meat Fish Dairy Imagine If There Were a Real Animal Rights Movement Challenging Peter Singer s Paternity Claim Business As Usual VegfestUK and the Animal Welfare Industry The Vegan Society

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  • Abolition: Simple Concepts and a Pop Quiz - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    go vegan that is there is their choice and not what is a morally justifiable or morally acceptable or respectful response as far as what we owe morally to animals or 2 We tell them that lesser steps giving up meat once a week eating happy meat being vegan before 6 etc are defensible moral positions It is the abolitionist position that 2 is speciesist In order to understand this although we would clearly see this in any human context if we thought about it for 5 seconds read this essay It is the abolitionist position that 2 is ineffective as a practical matter In order to understand that read this essay It s really simple You just need to read a little and think a little and not swallow the propaganda of the large animal charities that promote some version of 2 and they pretty much all promote some version of 2 and need you to donate to their welfare reform campaigns Okay Now let s take a simple two choice quiz based on the above I can t help it I am a professor and I test people as a big part of my job When someone says hey I ve given up meat on Monday you should say A See how easy it is But morality is not something to do one day a week We need to take fundamental morality seriously every single day And morality is not about arbitrary lines it s about principle There is no morally coherent distinction between flesh and other animal products So if you agree as you clearly do that animals matter morally then you re morally obligated to go vegan How can I assist you in achieving that goal B Wow The Meatless Monday campaign is totally awesome Although I am a vegan it took me ten years to get there so it s perfectly morally okay for everyone to do it in their own time It s about baby steps We can t make moral judgments That would be judgmental And every little bit matters so what you re doing is great even if you never go vegan If you chose B you flunked If you are not vegan please go vegan Veganism is about nonviolence First and foremost it s about nonviolence to other sentient beings But it s also about nonviolence to the earth and nonviolence to yourself And never ever buy into the nonsensical notion that we need to promote happy exploitation in order to get people to go vegan In addition to the whole happy exploitation effort being profoundly speciesist the happy exploitation effort has one goal to make the public more comfortable about animal exploitation The World is Vegan If you want it Gary L Francione Board of Governors Distinguished Professor Rutgers University 2014 Gary L Francione Related posts A Simple Question It s Really Very Simple Abolition Making Sure the Means and the End Are Consistent A Simple Resolution for the New

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  • The Abolitionist Approach on Media Roots - Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach
    not yet showing on the site that my position is vegan and not vegetarian In case you are not aware Abby Martin is an extraordinarily bright and very progressive broadcast journalist If you do not watch Breaking the Set you are missing the best news current affairs program on TV If you are not vegan please go vegan Veganism is about nonviolence First and foremost it s about nonviolence to other sentient beings But it s also about nonviolence to the earth and nonviolence to yourself It s easy to go vegan and if you agree that animals have moral value it s the only rational thing to do The World is Vegan If you want it Gary L Francione Board of Governors Distinguished Professor Rutgers University 2014 Gary L Francione Related posts New French Abolitionist Approach Mirror Site The Abolitionist Approach to Animal Rights in China Upcoming Abolitionist Approach Podcast on Effective Animal Rights Advocacy A Preview Some Thoughts on the Abolitionist Approach OUR NEW BOOK Animal Rights The Abolitionist Approach Share this entry Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Google Share on Pinterest Share on Linkedin Share on Tumblr Share on Vk Share on Reddit Share by Mail Français Visitez notre site miroir français Recent Posts Guest Essay This is Why New Welfarists Should Stop Equivocating on Moral Principles Concerning Animals A Response to Mercy For Animals Incremental Reform in the Human Context Is Not Analogous to Welfare Reform and Single Issue Campaigns in the Nonhuman Context The Animals Need YOU A Report from the Intersectional Justice Conference Why Welfare Reform Campaigns and Single Issue Campaigns Necessarily Promote Animal Exploitation When Intersectional Justice Means Promoting Meat Fish Dairy Imagine If There Were a Real Animal Rights Movement Challenging Peter Singer s Paternity Claim Business As Usual

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