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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #80
    wife is an active practitionor of many of the shamanistic rituals as a native American She is also a wonderfully and courageously reformed alchoholic so she knows the pitfalls of the easy way some things cannot be learned in books at wonderful ivy covered halls of learning they have to be lived and both Liam and Sandy have lived lives which would place most of you ini complete awe that they are still man and wife still wonderfully in love with other and at least in the case of Sandy still one sexy broad Ya did OK this time Liam I can forgive you slams at my ability to eat with those terrible English utensils and my still developing when in the company of non Irish but only this once Next time it will be hell of a hooley Gene Moderator s Note You guys are starting to become an old boys club both figuratively and literally PJ Date Thu 23 Apr 1998 10 14 36 0400 From mceagle zmatrix com Joseph W McMoneagle Subject Re VWR Digest V2 77 Is it true that Ingo Swann got a patent on his remote viewing protocol Can someone give me that number Not to my knowledge But I have to also say that in my own opinion the methodologies currently being used for teaching do not completely reflect what he Mr Swann envisioned as a full teaching methodology since many elements within his original methodology were later modified by others As a general rule what is usually bought by the military is ultimately owned by the American Taxpayer So whatever the military feels they purchased probably belongs to all of us if you figure out exactly what that might be let me know If I understand things properly the right of manufacture is somewhat different from the right of use Like when the military buys the right to use an operating system that comes with the computers it purchases but not the right to resell it When it comes to the military and training this may be the single greatest factor impacting on why so many changes have been made to the original methodologies utilized so that it can be re distributed as something other than It is also possible that since the original processes at least as I understand them from my observations while at SRI International were very complex in the extreme so very few people truly understood what it was he was doing in the first place I would add that complexity or lack of understanding by others should not be misconstured as meaning they were in some way ineffective as the way in which Mr Swann taught them was very effective It is sort of a problem of someone being taught to do and not being taught to teach When someone is taught for the first purpose and not the latter you do not necessarily explain some of the things you are doing and why Hence some elements

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #79
    Lu will come down for a couple weeks visit here before going back to Canada for a few months Though we ve been married 3 years living in Seattle and have a child the INS says he has to go back to live in Canada I apply for him and eventually they let him back into the country Hopefully it won t be too long a wait they say maybe 90 days maybe 180 It s a good thing he and I work on the internet since it means we can live anywhere and still do our work In the meanwhile becoming a single mother of a nearly 2 year old in a new place with a new job has been a real experience She s a happy baby and we re having a real mommy daughter bonding time We keep sharing dreams That is always so weird Time though is what I have approximately none of Between full time work two hours of commute a day cleaning and cooking and the toddler I barely have time to turn ON my computer I ve been offline so much for so long now that I m actually getting used to doing without it I think they call this Getting a life right I sure miss my friends online though My job which is just doing internal www and graphic design for a govt contractor firm down here same thing I ve been doing they just want to pay me a great salary to do it is almost embarrassingly easy slow no pressure no stress nothing hard it s kinda driving me crazy since I m one of those driven Aries rising type people whom stress and activity actually helps hold together Other than fighting off falling asleep at my desk daily the room is SO peaceful it s gone real well and if they ll have me I think I ll stay awhile I have the fastest desktop computer available and a humongous screen it s a Mac of course my work computer is so awesome my PC at home seems pretty limpid now I hope y all are having a great Spring that life is going well and for those of you die hards who actually make TIME to practice RV I hope it s moving right along for ya and you re learning a lot about yourself For any of you who have email in my now over 1300 unanswered inbasket I sincerely apologize but say honestly you may never get one if you had something you needed response on write me again if it hits me when I ve time I ll respond otherwise I read everything but don t have much time to write Nothing personal at all I m just filled to the brim with offline life right now For all the people I should have sent a new address and phone bug me about it okay lately if I had a brain I d be

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #78
    any hindrance to other activities caused by the physical process of using these techniques Tao Sk8r Date Wed 22 Apr 1998 09 11 20 0200 From Liam liam zmatrix com Subject VWR Squids The problem I missed the squid There was a big hole in the sketch where squid should have gone Instead in my sketch I hit movement cold black water yep Squid nope Looking at the ideogram afterward there was clearly a recognizeable symbol for lifeforms In almost every one but I missed it So here s the question finally Is it allright to go back to the ideogram and add information to a sketch analysis both that isn t allready there without risking AOL Hi Eric I will not make any snide comments about your squid target It would be hard to top what your wife has undoubtedly said to you I find ridicule and degradation is much more effective coming from a loved one than from a complete stranger Congratulations I think you nailed the site depending what your intent was It is highly unlikely that squid is still swimming in the same place as when the picture was taken Now if your intent was to view the feedback and not the place what you have is a stage one success and a stage 4 failure Living creatures at the site are not something stage one is designed to locate one exception I will cover in a moment Stage four is where you normally find that information after AI atheistic Impact your declaration of how the site is affecting you In stage one you have one finger tentatively grasping the signal line and are trying to hold on before it slips away By stage four you have both hands wrapped around the signal line and are riding it where ever it takes you A possible exception is the ideogram taken after a stage three movement exercise This will sometimes give you the information that there is life at the site Of course by this time you have experienced AI and are pretty firmly locked unto site The lesson here is to not expect to much from stage one Stage one will not give you much more than the general gestalt of the site IMHO it is the most difficult part of CRV But it MUST be learned because it is your gateway to the signal line and the more fun stages which come later Eric please tell your wife that if she ever has any problems coming up with appropriate comments and insults for you she should feel free to contact myself or Gene at anytime and we will be glad to make suggestions I enjoy your posts please keep them coming slainte May the force be with you Liam Date Wed 22 Apr 1998 09 11 20 0200 From Liam liam zmatrix com Subject VWR Ingo Swann Is it true that Ingo Swann got a patent on his remote viewing protocol Can someone give me

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #77
    happens much quicker and with more frequency in ERV than in CRV Gene Hi Gene The problem I have with CRV is that I can t seem to get anything other than a giant AOL Then I decided to drop into an altered state and cue myself and PUFF magic I believe I and other newbies fail unable to obtain any information at CRV because of the inability to quiet the mind Does any one have suggestions and how did you experts overcome this problem John Date Fri 3 Apr 1998 21 28 15 0200 From Steve Preston spreston cuci nl Subject RE VWR Wrinkley targets Hi Mary in a hobby shop you may find double sided glue paper thin sheets Put it between the card and the picture add a blank paper on top then press the hot iron on it This should keep your picture wrinkle free Let me know if you can find that paper I get it here in the Netherlands and could mail it to you Love and Peace to all Monika Original Message From MaryD SMTP Ladyley innerlightuk u net com Has anyone a suggestion for attaching pictures printed on glossy paper from National Geographic on to card without ending up with wrinkles I have tried wall paper paste PVA without success Date Fri 3 Apr 1998 21 33 58 0200 From Steve Preston spreston cuci nl Subject RE VWR hynogogic state AOL s Hi Gene how are you doing I learned what you call ERV first about 15 years ago and started RV about 3 month ago and agree with you that AOLs in ERV are much harder to get rid of than in RV I believe that the structure provided in RV prevents from getting driven by AOL Could be that in alpha stage I am just more open to everything Just my experience Love and Peace to all Monika Date Fri 3 Apr 1998 09 15 00 0800 PST From shelley thomson sthomson netcom com Subject VWR Re Ingo Swann Hello all Is it true that Ingo Swann got a patent on his remote viewing protocol Can someone give me that number Shelley Moderator s Note I don t think a psychic method qualifies under the patent categories I know of But who knows PJ Date Fri 03 Apr 1998 08 59 15 0700 From greg greg ideamachine com Subject Re VWR Digest V2 72 RE stuff about the subconscious I agree it s kind of difficult to even imagine what the subconscious or unconscious is much like how a caterpiller can t imagine what it would be like to be a butterfly One thing I ve noticed though and it s strange but from personal experience and tons of reading out of body RV etc it seems that the sub is really literal You make a small error in how you ask a question and you get the wrong answer or the right answer to the wrong question It s

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #76
    socks off I don t have references off the top of my head Maybe David Pursglove knows of some The very best work is by Ian Stevenson at UVA Incredibly persuasive with kids mostly not in the USA several in India if I recall right ALso if memory serves he found only about 13 cases out of hundreds investigated that really cut the mustard And they really do And no PJ Ian didn t throw his career into the dirt He s a very respected fellow though yes I think the mainstreamers will make sure not to ref his work and CSICOP long ago turned his picture to the wall and simply won t discuss him or his results In my book this last is mute testimonial to the power of his data Got those bozos on the run it did d Moderator s Note In other words nobody in the official field will have him any more in other words he threw his academically approved career into the dirt But he got a better and more interesting one as a result PJ Date Sat 04 Apr 1998 00 48 08 1000 From Yaana Allen yaana aloha net Subject Re VWR Digest V2 73 PJ Interesting To ramble a bit this subject interests me Yaana Me too like trecking through uncharted territory I think in my own case though I have far less experience than you have in these studies I have not actually seen the subconscious demonstrated as anything more than what I might call a model for how to think about a part of the Self hummmmm seen it demonstarted I think that is a bit beyond our ability at the time we are still dealing with observations and duplication of phenomena demonstrations seem to still come from personal experiences and are subject ot AOL I started in Esoteric Psycology with a spiritual model Physical Emotional Mental and Intutive each a dynamic aspect of being and the cycles of energy moving from inertia through activity to seek balance also that all thought is dynamic and have have instanious effect on physical reality The model works well on may levels but is rife with mysticism and spiritual jargon which obscures the simplicity of function and until or unless the concepts are experineced they are just another set of beliefs requiring faith The new model Ihave learned studing RV with Rainfall is scientific wave forms band widths frequency resonance electromagnetic wave theory this is a very clean model which makes training the mind much easier because it steps outside of the common ego triggers which accompany religion phlosophy and psycology It is great to see that in the last decade that quantum physics and other aspects of science now have formulas which prove the ancient spiritual laws including one published in the last few years which porports to prove the existance of God snip because I think the sub is larger and more complex than what can easily be described

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #75
    pause and made him think that of all the claims about paranormal phenomena he d heard and seen conclusive evidence against just maybe RV was one that could actually stand on its own merits We even talked about him applying for a grant to turn this into a sophisticated and very serious evaluation of RV he d need a grant to keep the project going for long he s a young physics graduate student with a brand new daughter of whom he is extremely proud Done right this could be a very attention getting and validating project for RV It s already received some attention There was a fairly positive editorial about it in the Daily Texan the UT campus newspaper He says his fellow skeptics are monitoring the project but some of them aren t too happy about it Guess they re afraid if the project works they ll just have to take RV a little more seriously g Besides the opportunity for some real clean double blind practice opportunities something I don t get enough opportunity for myself we just might convert some of the enemy Three targets have closed so far and there s been an average of 6 or 7 sessions contributed against each There have been a few complete misses but a number of not too bad results There have also been some glitches The most serious one was that the one session that would have been a bona fide hit more about that in a minute didn t get into the results We don t know why it didn t get in but the skeptic told me he was totally mortified when he received the query about it after the fact He said literally his heart sank when he saw how good the results were and realized they hadn t gotten in in accordance with the protocol He was afraid that people would think he d left it out on purpose and attribute it to just one more underhanded skeptic s trick He was gracious enough to at least post it in the forum section of the page after the fact so that people could be aware of the error and know that the session existed I should add that he s trying to refine the process as he goes and welcomes suggestions He s had a crash course in website construction he basically learned how to do it just for this project Expect some glitches but i think he s doing a great job all things considered He and I have both taken steps to set up some safeguards to make sure this one particular problem doesn t happen again If you want a fail safe for session summaries that you want to submit to the skeptic webpage e mail me and I ll make sure they get posted in another honest broker location in case of future problems Now kudos for what would have been the first unambiguous hit Angela Thompson Smith

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #74
    ERV AOL Analytical Overlay The process of adding omitting or altering data received via psi means based upon logical assumptions memories associations et al Moderator Most certainly there are AOL s in ERV and after working extensively in both CRV and ERV as a monitor I can tell you with some authority that the evilness of AOL drive happens much quicker and with more frequency in ERV than in CRV Gene Hi all Liam here Well said Gene AOL is a huge danger in ERV That is the reason IMHO a monitor is more important in ERV than in CRV In CRV you know that if you get a visual it is AOL But ERV is visual or maybe para visual new word I just invented The other danger is in ERV you are in an altered state and much less able to reason out this is AOL Telephone poles in a desert become trees than a forest and then you are off on a trip I believe one basic rule applies to interpreting data from an ERV or CRV session Rule If it is raw data it is probably correct If it is interpretation of raw data by the viewer while on site it is probably incorrect Sorry I have not been contributing more I have been busy I must comment later on Pru s comment that Gene was a perfect Gentleman Come on Pru The lad can turn the Irish Charm on when he wants to but under the Celtic charm the man is a barbarian He did not know how to eat with a knife and fork when I first met him In the last twenty years I have been able to educate him so he no longer embarrasses himself in public but a Gentleman slainte May the force be with you Liam Moderator s Note Intell soldiers with a personable exterior you guys are all barbarians in disguise Ducking PJ Date Sat 11 Apr 1998 19 54 57 0500 From List Owner PJ Gaenir palyne zmatrix com Subject VWR List Bizness Dear Viewers I apologize for the delay in mailing I have a lot of posts to go out I m having serious dial up problems and other problems here and I probably took the group back from Pru too soon but I didn t know this would be the case and I d already overstayed my planned time offline This should be resolved within a week In the meantime I know I have a zillion emails here from people wondering if they re off the list re subscribing etc At most it ll be another week and then I ll send all the cumulating messages out at once Sorry again for the delay The group has been through worse and survived so I m not too worried We ll get it together eventually PJ Date Fri 17 Apr 1998 11 04 43 100 From Steve Crietzman steve parabbs demon co uk Subject VWR Parapsychology in

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  • Remote Viewing Email Archives V2 #73
    protocols is significant to the possible outcome of their study At this point the viewers or RV instructors may send a hit miss analysis regarding any SS they desire The analysis must contain the Viewer ID number of the individual SS being analyzed Hit Miss feedback will be provided by the Protocol Manager only for those SS where an analysis has already been received by a viewer or the viewer s instructor Third Party Review Those Session Summaries that are declared hits BY THE VIEWER are eligible for for Third Party Review TPR The viewer simply mentions in their SS analysis that they would like their SS to be considered for TPR If it s not mentioned it won t be reviewed TPR if no one notices this statement and everyone simply waits for an overall site review there won t be one no matter how good the sessions are therefore the Hall of Hits and Near Misses will 0 So everything hinges on the viewers or instructors giving an analysis of the sessions and requesting a TPR I missed these details on first reading of the protocols Shelia Moderator s Note I guess I fail to see with 20 years and thousands of legitimate RV trials decades of intelligence work and plenty of qualified taskers including those with real cases why anybody would want to cater to skeptic s targets or that sort of setup I have yet to see ONE even one self dubbed skeptic s group or individual with a proper knowledge or unbiased performance on that knowledge of the true dynamics of or expectations for RV Targeting tasking interpretation and many other things inevitably have problems and asking a skeptic s group to be unbiased is nothing short of hilarious Usually one is providing sincere effort which will only be used to attempt to discredit the entire subject regardless of how rational they may seem initially If people are looking for group targets where they can provide non public feedback and only the hits are made public I would be glad to provide such a thing online PJ the skeptical of skeptics Date Thu 02 Apr 1998 08 41 03 1000 From Yaana Allen yaana aloha net Subject Re VWR Digest V2 72 snip But when it comes to models of the critical mind or filter or other perspectives such as you present so far every model I have found has actually worked quite well when applied even those that seem to contradict each other I have to figure this is because there is so much to the mind and so many ways to approach it At least it s the only explanation I have so far PJ Hi PJ I agree the mind works in many ways and it has needs to filter the vast quanity of avilable data for relevance signifigance and sheer manigability My point is actually since the sub is virtual librarian to the matrix innocent of judgment it has no need to filter it obediently accesses data on what ever we focus on regardless of how much our minds may distort it It is quite clear how our minds filter what does not seem likely is that given it s purpose and style of function that the sub filters also What I have seen if information is requested and appears to not be provided it was not that the sub did not make it available it was the mind who was unable given it s current bias to accept the data so it filtered it out Proof of that is the kind of knowledge and wisdom that floods in once a person has resolved a false belief it s like a flood of data had been building up for some time was finally released Aloha Yaana Moderator s Response Aloha Yaana Interesting To ramble a bit this subject interests me I think in my own case though I have far less experience than you have in these studies I have not actually seen the subconscious demonstrated as anything more than what I might call a model for how to think about a part of the Self It being a specific static thing which has any inherent qualities except the ill defined knows more than the conscious mind and takes things literally is something I have a hard time feeling comfortably firm about I don t generally assign the subconscious specific does this doesn t do that qualities except the overt things I mentioned in the sentence above because I think the sub is larger and more complex than what can easily be described I am fairly comfortable assigning qualities to the so called critical mind or filter that functions as if it is between the conscious and whatever else of us but not to the subconscious itself And that divider is likely just part of everything else it s simply that it is a very useful model in theory and practice As for psi and what some call the matrix this term itself and the Swann theory that is part of it in RV is useful in RV training but I don t think I really agree with it as a concept of how things work that is comfortable for me personally The word apart from the semantics of that theory might work though it still sort of implies a separate thing over there someone taps into from over here that again steps outside the way I conceptualize things That s just me Personally I sense there is less separation and a lot more overlap between the subconscious and conscious than many people from more classical models might expect I also sense that there are many Aspects of Self which we relegate to the term subconscious because to us it ain t conscious so it must be subconscious Sort of like how to most people everything that is not a normal wide awake objective experience measurable after the fact by a

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