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  • Firedocs Remote Viewing: Viewer email group archive, hosted by PJ Gaenir; intell and science remote viewers talk with the public about their remote viewing experience and "how-to"
    Being is in the wrong place at the wrong time very little or no awareness of self as a Spiritual Being Most often cannot believe psychic abilities can be real Is overtly or covertly at war with everyone and every thing The next level up is the Yellow Zone This is the maybe level The Being is unsure where the right place or right time is Usually to poorly trained in any life skills to be able to control his thoughts Tends to have to be told what to do Very little awareness of self Spiritually Tends to operate linearly The next level up is the Green Zone This Being is aware of self Spiritualy and is in the right place at the right time with the right people playing the right game and living their dreams Things go very right for Beings at this level The next level up is the Gold Zone This is a Being who operates mostly outside his body Also operates outside of time and space At this level most of their psychic abilities are being used to create a very positive effect on life and their environment Being outside of time and space they operate spontaniously Most athletes have experienced being in the Gold Zone It is that time where everything tends to go in slow motion When everything goes perfectly If you are interested in more data about the Zones I have several bulletins on my web page http www knowledgism com Alan Hello Name Bob edited D O B 10 17 31 married she s a sceptic remarkable insight re the motives character profiles of the people she meets should probably be here instead of me residence Lafayette IN ed BBA Cincinnatti 2 yrs P G pre med physical chem life sciences Purdue trying to put to use a love of medicine acquired as a navy medic during Korea now practice vicariously through my kids son in CA daughter El Paso both Veterinarians two gr chldrn El Paso Retired but still involved partial S H and co founder custom molded urethane foam co Lafayette IN and full owner of second operation similar to the first Former State Farm Insurance agent 17 years left to return to first business to keep it intact At this point have more time to call my own Pretty much a night person ergo the Art Bell show and first exposure to the subject at hand Source of several questions I will pose But first My Goals Purposes for entering this forum 1 To LEARN 2 Join a viewing group novice level 3 Locate or Establish levels of progress based upon POSITIVE participation in SUCCESSFUL results 4 Obtain or Create a directory of locations of forum participants perhaps at specific attained levels of training and participative success Objective Regionalization for pyramiding and consolidating results hopefully towards yielding more accurate and meaningful determinations What have I to contribute 1 Perhaps a little more time than others 2 An inexplicable belief in the paradigm or naivete 3 Integrity 4 Profound emphasis upon right vs wrong 5 FORMER Altruist I m a student of Human Nature The lesson I ve learned is this He who turns the other cheek Gets hit with the OTHER fist Cosby I think Also most likely reason no entry to med school Not in vogue where the proper answer is To get rich 6 Strong desire to prove promote expand the concept given the scientific means of proving and improving its reliability 7 Will to assist others both outside and within in exchange for same Don t we ALL have a thing or two we d like to know to assist us in making vital decisions if not for ourselves then for our loved ones QUESTIONS 1 How many like myself Arrived here via Art Bell Co 2 Total No to date in this forum whether subscribers or not 3 Of these how many like myself NO CRV TRAINING AT ALL 4 Of these how many have begun training learning within past 12 months From whom What medium 5 How many have been at it for awhile i e 1 yr 6 Anyone know the basis of Ed Dames accuracy claim And 7 Given the numbers and communications media i e fax scanning esp among a local network of viewers as in a community such as ours a university town from which filtered data could be forwarded does anyone who s been at this for awhile believe that the percentage of hits can be brought to near perfect 8 How best to utilize input from more diverse locations esp from those whose inherent capabilities for accurate perception is greater than most That s all I guess Sincere and warm regards to all Bob edited Lafayette IN Although I am responding to an e mail from Alan this is really meant for everybody I think all of us might benefit if I try to clear up a few misconceptions about remote viewing This is not meant in any way as an attack so I hope no one will take offense I have heard several times recently from people who feel they have been using or been involved in the use of remote viewing for some years now even as early as the 60s 50s and even in one case the 30s Remote viewing itself was not developed until the 70s under the auspices of Ingo Swann and SRI International This was later product improved to become CRV However the phenomemon behind RV has a long and venerable history I am referring to what is often known as clairvoyance a French term meaning clear seeing All remote viewing is necessarily clairvoyance But not all clairvoyance is necessarily remote viewing In explaining RV to someone who has never heard of it I often describe it as controlled or disciplined clairvoyance Here is the difference those who practice clairvoyance have always been plagued with the problem of mental noise This is precisely what Alan is talking about when he asks if what one perceives psychically is true or if it is something one is super imposing in the environment The intent of RV however is to impose some sort of error correcting and noise suppressing techniques and structure on natural clairvoyance This is why there can be different types of remote viewing just as there are different types of noise suppression for stereo systems The system Ingo Swann developed now known as Controlled Remote Viewing is one and so far the most broadly successful of them The ERV methodology that Joe McMoneagle has used to great effect is one of them as is to a lesser degree the ganzfield approach devised by Charles Honorton Neither Swann nor McMoneagle nor Honorton have a monopoly on RV per se ANYone who devises a SUCCESSFUL system of noise suppressed clairvoyance may lay claim to having devised a remote viewing method Anything else is merely natural clairvoyance which at times can be remarkably successful but is usually very inconsistent Hence the answer to Alan s question Is this remote viewing or is it remote halucination is neither of the above it s actually natural clairvoyance Best regards Paul Archive Note Paul H Smith former U S Intell RV Paul wrote Although I am responding to an e mail from Alan this is really meant for everybody Thank you for taking the time to respond A little more background on myself I first met Ingo Swann in New York around Jan 67 we had a long discussion about psychic abilities I further met Hal Puttof in 71 72 I followed some of their research through one of their original backers Bill Church I think all of us might benefit if I try to clear up a few misconceptions about remote viewing This is not meant in any way as an attack so I hope no one will take offense No offense taken The intent of RV however is to impose some sort of error correcting and noise suppressing techniques and structure on natural clairvoyance This is why there can be different types of remote viewing just as there are different types of noise suppression for stereo systems I don t appear to suffer from noise I m expanding my viewing into the stock market This is quite a stretch as you have both the action holograms and the reaction holograms to decipher The Spiritual hologram precedes the physical universe action Thus you can see the future I keep score by the amount of successful trades or successful no trades I had a successful period for six months I didn t miss on a trade Hence the answer to Alan s question Is this remote viewing or is it remote halucination is neither of the above it s actually natural clairvoyance Having expanded the subject to clairvoyance now includes several other aspects to remote viewing My biggest problem is to learn your nomenclature so I would appreciate it if people do not use abbreviations or initials PJ used the initials AOL s What does this mean Perhaps someone would be kind enough to define fully Remote Viewing Again I thank you for the time and effort in educating me Alan My name is Mark and my first introductions to concepts similar to remote viewing came in a book called Telecult Power that my father owned when I was about 12 years old I have had experiences as long as I can remember that I have playfully come to refer to as psychometric seizures The first experience I had was when I was about 7 or 8 I believe and playing with a toy that my parents had bought me at a garage sale When I touched the toy the room seemed to have an overlay of another room superimposed on it and so long as I kept hold of the toy the room remained in his somewhat inbetween state I have sat for hours on end with different objects holding them waiting for this phenomenon to occur and it never has I have tried meditating with different objects and still nothing But when it does it is quite frightening and not very desirable in the middle of a Wal Mart Superstore etc I happened by chance onto the Remote Viewing pages on the internet and I am basically hoping that I can learn to control this experience with the protocols and structure of RV I have basically studied paranormal stuff most of my adult life I guess as well as alternative fields of healing I practice Reiki and Clinical Hypnotherapy My wife and I also own a word processing and transcription service and I also find that I have very odd experiences with computers when I am in a very emotional state of mind I am usually a very logical thinker and I know that these experiences are happening to me and so I am hoping to get some control of them and maybe even some use out of them Anyway I guess that is quite enough for an introduction Mark Hi Laura Thanks for letting me post this to the list Is there somewhere I could look up the accepted terminology associated with CRV Within the documents at the web site is there one with a glossary or something similar Ah yes Well no Sort of How s that The standard terminology which is a combination of what s been invented or used by Swann and what s been used in the lab and what s been used by the intelligence Viewers is not all that complicated really However it s usually not advertised because in order to use all the terms properly you d have to know what context they re used in and in order to teach the context you d have to teach somebody the methodology and well people wouldn t be charging a hefty amount to teach CRV methodology if the how to was in a paperback That being said there are some basics that I ll certainly go over Mind you there are some variations from instructor to instructor and in the lab but they re mostly the same Hopefully Paul will correct me if I m confused on any points I m still new to much of this Archivist Note Lyn Buchanan s P S I has allowed me to put their terminology manual on the firedocs web site You can find it on the RV Misc page I m not sure what you mean by cue or frontloading and I m rather confused as to what one would do with a dowsing target OK Cue is whatever is communicated to the Viewer to prompt them to go get the data It can be a set of random numbers or the date or even just find the target Frontloading is data that is provided to the Viewer about the target or surrounding site usually in the hope of minimizing time spent figuring out something already known and getting to the important part that is NOT known For instance if the goal is to describe what a person looks like is wearing and it is already known that there IS a person the Viewer might be told The target is a person In the lab they ve discovered that a mild amount of frontloading actually increases results too much harms it Dowsing is when instead of describing one locates You may recall the term s been used for people trying to locate water for wells for instance Dowsing can be done on anything And in fact dowsing can also be used for yes no type questions Pendulum work is a form of dowsing but everybody has their own methods And I m sure you don t need a newbie plaguing you with questions every time you pick up your e mail Hey That s what I started this email group for Well and the idea that there d be a lot of other people to answer questions besides just me My email box was starting to go unanswered and went to the feedback there s another word I messed up on Sorry Feedback is the answer When you ve finished your session you go look at the answer to determine what you got correct or incorrect I ve changed my mind on how I m putting those up Initially I d planned to provide the feedback a few days after the target But I believe very much in immediate feedback so now every target that goes up feedback will be available then too PJ Hi Mark I happened by chance onto the Remote Viewing pages on the internet and I am basically hoping that I can learn to control this experience with the protocols and structure of RV Telometric Seizures what a great term and what a great talent Even if it is sporadic and unpredictable Do these ever seem to be interactive where you interact with people in the second reality or do you merely sense yourself in another place Is it always linked to an object or does it happen without known cues I have very odd experiences with computers when I am in a very emotional state of mind I am usually a very logical thinker and I know that these experiences are happening to me and so I am hoping to get some control of them and maybe even some use out of them I mess up anything electronic if I m upset Which only makes me more upset of course until my computer is a jumbled disaster of software and hardware errors and I m completely enraged I tend to think this is physiological rather than psychic though Though of course psi must be at least partly physiologically based as well PJ Hiya Bob Whew Where to begin Thanks for the intro I don t think I ve ever seen so much data condensed into one paragraph You said 4 Obtain or Create a directory of locations of forum participants perhaps at specific attained levels of training and participative success Objective Regionalization for pyramiding and consolidating results hopefully towards yielding more accurate and meaningful determinations Meeting other people with similar interests is a good opportunity in this email group But be warned that the names in this group are private unless they choose to post and that the group is a public group not everybody in it is a Viewer and many of the Viewers may choose not to post as they notoriously prefer confidentiality If you are interested in research that s the kind of thing you d probably need to do locally There has been a great deal of research done on remote viewing while much of it is still classified much is not You can find abstracts of some related research papers at my firedocs site You might wish to read what s already been done they ve learned an awful lot and it s worth not reinventing wheels Strong desire to prove promote expand the concept given the scientific means of proving and improving its reliability See the above regarding what research has already been done There is of course a world open to further exploration 1 How many like myself Arrived here via Art Bell Co Those who choose can volunteer answers to this 2 Total No to date in this forum whether subscribers or not Sorry all membership information is confidential Trivial note this isn t a forum it s an email group a forum is a site that has active communications such as BBS and chat rooms This email group is sponsored by the Viewer Forum but that is a private site 3 Of these how many like myself NO CRV TRAINING AT ALL Chances are most of em 6 Anyone know the basis of Ed Dames accuracy claim And There is no known basis that my own

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  • Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection: Public Psi Email Group Archives
    list Archive 012 Jan Feb 1998 Psi Discussion 31K Archive 011 January 1998 Psi Discussion 35K Archive 010 January 1998 Psi Discussion 41K Archive 009 January 1998 Psi Discussion 36K Archive 008 January 1998 Psi Discussion 40K Archive 007 January 1998 Psi Discussion 35K Archive 006 January 1998 Psi Discussion 33K Archive 005 January 1998 Psi Discussion 40K Archive 004 January 1998 Psi Discussion 35K Archive 003 January 1998 Psi

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  • The Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - Intro by PJ Gaenir
    every prophet for his profit Tip Study awhile before you believe anybody about anything This is my personal collection of materials and information about remote viewing science remote viewing theory remote viewing history remote viewing personnel and more I ve got tons of remote viewing email group archives with experts for hands on advice and lots of appropriate remote viewing practice targets with feedback remote viewing FAQ s and more

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  • The Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - Intro by PJ Gaenir
    provides about technology before his time are astounding He believed the Martians were an older civilization than us and had been the ancient precursors of our Chinese race with superior technologies and moral culture He published and republished a number of times from the 1950 s to 1960 s a small book called The Truth About Mars detailing his experiences You can find it online at Firedocs here Another Truth About Mars In 1984 government remote viewer Joseph McMoneagle was blind tasked by a NASA official on some very interesting targets He described a pyramid form s sitting in a depressed area the aftereffect of a major geological trauma and many other anomalies He did not describe any current people in those areas but described what perhaps used to be people unusually tall and thin that were not there anymore He later found the coordinates were for Mars and after in some cases years of searching located aerial photographs of the places he had been targeted upon Joe describes these and other targets with photos in his book Mind Trek Exploring Consciousness Time and Space Through Remote Viewing here In the early 1990 s other people calling themselves remote viewers

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  • The Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - Intro by PJ Gaenir
    done RIGHT is free of that except perhaps the ego issues and anything the individual walks in with Why Because the formal RV protocol requires targets that have feedback Requires a logical double or more blind rational approach to psi work The intangible lack of closure it usually provides combined with the ruthless means of judging accuracy can bring anybody down to earth with a hard thud Constantly Anybody who feels omniscient and pretty much always right is deluding themselves And others Usually for money Real remote viewers will give you an explanation free of secrecy or mysticism and will always put the scientific protocol not the protocols as in methods but The Protocol as in the science requirements first Remote Viewing done RIGHT will change you Make no mistake If it doesn t change you you aren t doing it But don t let some of the people in the media fool you It won t make you crazy Of course if you already are Your progress may be hindered by or may benefit from your spiritual beliefs and prior experiences And even by the individuals you choose to open up to as gurus teachers Be aware Where are

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  • The Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - Intro by PJ Gaenir
    ESP clairvoyance whatever you want to call it The protocol is designed to force it into having to be psychic ability because it couldn t be anything else The protocol is not a matter of how to get psychic ability or data rather it is how to ensure you re not getting other known things mixed into the process by either design or accident and it s a way of doing things so that they can be intelligently measured The RV protocol in itself has little to do with methods which is what is sold today as remote viewing training The methods are a way of going about getting the psi data for better or worse Some methods also address ways to minimize other influences on the data such as imagination and analytic assumption RV Methods may or may not include cover or work within the protocol situational requirements No methodology teachers at this point teach much about the science And the scientists at least the main ones who ve been active in RV research the last decade don t put much stock in methods training They feel your psi talent is inherent and whatever you ve got is what you ve got and there isn t any bestowing more upon you for any amount of money There are some very different emphasis areas and belief systems even within the ranks of the people who are experts in the subject o0o I am a student and a researcher of remote viewing I ve tried to combine a combination of journalistic inquiry personal interest some hands on practice and skeptical consideration into my effort to understand what remote viewing is what it is not what it can do what it cannot and what I can do with or without RV and how this relates to anything or everything Over the past couple of years I have done read practiced discussed etc everything I could get my hands on relating to the subject I have been fortunate to have been introduced to many of the few people involved in this field and their conversations with me have provided volumes of insight and understanding I wouldn t have gotten otherwise I even sought out method teachers and learned some from them beginning in Spring 1996 In short I ve done everything I could to get a handle on this I m interested I m fascinated I think it s important I think a logical approach to psi is what 90 of our planet needs I think developing an awareness of psi and self in a large enough part of the population could not only change the individuals but could possibly change civilization and humanity as we know it This may at the rate our civilization is going be a matter of species survival So there is a larger than life picture involved too o0o Along the way I ve tried to encourage the few people legitimately part of remote viewing to share their

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  • The Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - Intro by PJ Gaenir
    you As if the target helped choose my contact level not just me Not just an observer but a friend I don t just sense I share What you touch touches you back A mutual joining of energy Energy which is consciousness Consciousness which carries intent Intent which is manifestation I am in love with that green bridge And it loves me too But saying that I just sound like a fool But you ll be told that all that is irrelevent to modern remote viewing This is no new age shamanic journey This is no mystical method for the chosen We are the logical generation Describe the target Here s your feedback No religion No magic Wouldn t you know Science would even find a way To take the soul out of Soul work But I like science and I enjoy logic That s what drew me to this in the first place Spare me the robes and candles and incense I know it s an innate human quality Get to the point Recognition comes we ve been here before Call it what you will we ve been psychics all along Since we were part of the goddess Since we bled on the alters Since we burned at the stake And even now If you are interested in getting to know yourself Realizing a larger reality Incorporating it into your life A rushing river of ever astonished awareness If you are willing to pay attention to who you really are To accept yourself even the scary parts To put years yes years into the study of how you tick If you are willing to watch your ideas about reality shatter To deconstruct a worldview and instead build a window If you can handle uncertainty and constant change If you want this life this awake to the world ness Remote viewing is for you The demands and results are reserved for people Who cannot live with themselves without it Who cannot stop working until they become one with it Who cannot totally separate themselves from the process You can take methods training from somebody Some paint by number version designed to make you think Often taught as if you must follow it like a doctrine And don t you dare think during the process You ll find some of your own psi that way Sure thing You ve got some You ll see it Maybe never leave the wonder bread level of RV It isn t the methods It s YOU I can refer you to methods teachers Who are experienced ethical and informative If that s your interest You can do whatever works for you Psychic scrying dowsing clair something Reinventing some wheels while you re at it That works too but isn t the best use of time You can take methods training yet be aware It is an external structure to make you aware Of your internal processing That s the point That is how I have

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  • The Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - Intro by PJ Gaenir
    done massive email communications with the public Taken methods training from a couple people and informal training from others Read what I could of the science and tried to merge it all I ve worked hard to document what I learned as much as I was allowed to To begin projects that would help my friends and the general public learn more about RV That would help other RV students like me work on this Anything I could do If they gave out degrees for RV studies I d have one Like anybody who seriously inquires into something for long enough with enough contacts and resources I eventually developed some real opinions Which if you read enough here you ll find I on occasion inflict on people whether they want to hear them or not It s my web site So there Skip this section if I annoy you I happen to believe I am still objective in a first sense if I have developed emotion and strong opinions in some areas and I have I feel it is a logical result anybody in the same learning situation would have come around to Which is to say I might think that xyz is so and that might make me biased against abc being so instead but maybe xyz really IS so and anybody with a brain who s seen what I have would say so Before you think something I say is odd or unfair send me email and ask how I got there My personal opinion based on a inquiry I worked hard for may be worth hearing As for RV there s more coming soon to the Firedocs site in the way of how to why so how come etc A big target library with all the stuff

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