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  • Remote Viewing - 1 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    and say the answer is it s a slow procedure ART Let me interrupt You said plans That would really imply a fairly direct reading of somebody s mind rather than mood Plans imply we re going to attack Kuwait you know on a certain date LYN That s right It can be done but it s a very it s an advanced level and it s not like Paul says it s not something you just sit down and scribble off JOE Maybe I can add something here that will clarify it this is Joe One of the things that you have to understand is that in the function of remote viewing it s not the attenuated protocol that might exist for say studying telepathy What happens in remote viewing is that you re actually opening to all of the possible delivery systems everything from clairaudience to clairsentience clairvoyance telepathy presentiment all those things are delivering bits of information So there s an entire realm or wealth of information that s available depending on how you set up the specific targeting mechanisms ART Would the three of you agree that it is the end of secrets as we have known them PAUL Paul here I wouldn t say it quite so precisely One of the factors let s go back to the mind reading thing one of the things you have to recall is how confusing everyone s thoughts are anyway I mean we can think about one thing while we end up doing something else altogether If we were reading Saddam Hussein s mind again not literally like that but if we were doing that we might pick up in the morning when he s in a bad mood that he intends to invade Kuwait tomorrow and then later on in the afternoon he s already changed his mind and decided to do it some other time you know so it s never quite that precise LYN Absolutely We did run into things like that ART Oh boy That would be must be very difficult for the remote viewer when you re dealing with a human target which would as you point out change its mind JOE Well it s this is Joe there s inherent problems in remote viewing as well It doesn t work all the time so if you re operating with a 60 or 70 percentile change of actually making contact with the target then you have to also look at the fact that there are times when you re gonna be wrong LYN joking astonishment Now do you mean to say that this is not one hundred percent correct ART That s what I was about to ask Guests laugh PAUL Now Lyn let s be nice LYN If you can find someone who can do it one hundred percent of the time I will believe that the aliens are on the earth because they re not human laughter ART Well alright then what would the three of you say with regard to percentage of obviously people could approach 50 50 on certain things how far above that does remote viewing go LYN Actually let me jump in here and say this is Lyn say that the 50 50 thing is right or wrong If you have to select and tell the color of a card for instance you can say red or black you have a 50 50 chance ART Right What if you have to predict the color of a traffic light then you have a 33 chance ART Right If you have to predict the condition of a certain spot in the desert how many percent do you have chance ART Good point LYN And also when you when people ask for accuracy they have noted many times that different people have reported different amounts of accuracy for remote viewing quote remote viewing which is a general term actually ART Well if you compare your accuracy if let us say we take a white or a black piece of something and put it in an envelope and compare your accuracy doing remote viewing compared to the average joe s guess how do you do LYN Well I m glad you asked it that way because I ve been doing an extended experiment on this here lately with red and black cards and right now I m at 68 3 ART As compared to the average joe s LYN 50 ART 50 Alright gentlemen hold tight we re at the bottom of the hour Three former STAR GATE project STAR GATE remote viewers Lyn Buchanan Joe McMoneagle and Paul Smith A rare gathering And right here You re listening to the CBC radio network break ART Three gentlemen all involved in the U S military in project STAR GATE a remote viewing project that your tax dollars paid for All three now retired the project declassified and they re talking We ll get right back to them break ART Now My guests Lyn Buchanan Joe McMoneagle and Paul Smith Lyn where are you located LYN I m in Maryland about 50 miles directly South of Washington D C ART OK Joe how bout you JOE I m about 25 miles South of Charlottesville in Virginia ART Alright and Paul PAUL I m oh half hour North of D C in a little town called Laurel ART So all of you sort of gathered not far from headquarters LYN That s right we sort of had homes here because of course we were in the project for so long and as a result we just sort of settled Let me say something else if you don t mind about that red black ART Yes LYN In the project when I took over the database I saw that there was some work called binary work where they were doing exactly that and it had been an experiment and the continually highest score in

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  • Remote Viewing - 2 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    briefed the president and and I mean these are laughable things it just didn t happen ART Not true You say not true LYN Not true JOE I d like to make a comment here as well This is Joe Ed has also made claims that I ve worked for him and that sort of thing and those are emphatically not true statements LYN Yeah he said I worked for him too and I didn t ART Alright alright here s a fax Mr McMoneagle has said that Ed Dames was never a remote viewer with the government but was simply a person who was employed to interview prospective candidates for the government remote viewing program could you please ask him to comment on that PAUL Let me jump in on this LYN Yeah let Paul work on that one That s actually not completely correct And it s no fault of Joe s because they didn t overlap Ed came in on the scene long after Joe was gone Ed actually did indeed do did participate in some operational remote viewing projects ART OK however that wasn t his primary function he was indeed more an analyst a tasker managing training and stuff you know he did he was kind of a jack of all trades in that regard he wasn t hired primarily as a remote viewer and only under exceptional circumstances did he do that but he did indeed did do some operational remote viewing LYN I got that he did one didn t he PAUL No he was on for a number I haven t gone through the list but I d say at least 6 or 7 that he was listed as a Viewer on LYN Oh really I didn t have that in I didn t remember that from my database JOE This is Joe I d like to comment on my comment group laughter JOE That s not an exact quote for what I said The claim was made that by Ed Dames that he was the only person who was qualified to train or teach other people to remote view and that he was the most accurate remote viewer in the project and the only one who was a responsible Viewer and my comment was that his primary job while he was with the unit was to act as a monitor and interface with the viewer in terms of handling or setting up remote viewings and that he was not a primary trainer he may have trained in the sense that he ran practice sessions and that sort of thing And that s okay everybody had specific jobs within the unit and everyone performed as they were required and I suspect that he performed you know righteously and did the job very very well Where I have a problem is where he makes claims and then attributes them to himself when they in fact don t have anything to do with him they had something to do with someone who perhaps is not even with us anymore today ART In private moments you gentlemen have have you not referred to Ed Dames as Dr Doom LYN This was a nickname that was given to him in the unit before he came to us He was called Dr Doom over there He s been predicting doom death and destruction for years and years and years now ART Would you say that he has seen things that the rest of you have not seen JOE That would be a fair assumption This is Joe And that s fine One of the remarkable things about remote viewing is that when you make a prediction or you make a statement about something one would hope that there would be some validity or some method by which you could prove validity or the veracity of the information I could certainly choose or pick targets that are completely unverifiable and make all the claims I want and that s OK they ll never be shown or proven one way or the other But one would hope that if you re gonna be making claims about remote viewing and its capabilities that you would be opening yourself to being tested in some way or producing information that can be verified ART Alright Well that opens up another topic and maybe a little bit in defense of Ed Dames He s been on this program and said I m sure you re all familiar with the amazing Randi so called Group laughter Ed has been on this program and said straight out he accepts Randi s challenge there s something like a million dollars or now more sitting there waiting for somebody to prove psychic ability Ed Dames has said I accept I called the amazing Randi so called and asked him to come on he sent a fax and said OK there s numbers in my safe tell Ed to come up with these numbers I said that s not fair You re in control of the numbers and I don t like that So how about coming on the program and setting up a structured test with the controls set up here on the program and the amazing Randi so called did not come on the program would not come on the program Do any of you feel that the amazing Randi s challenge could be taken and met LYN As it stands He s basically a magician a sleight of hand and sleight of mind and you if anyone does things on his terms he wins I don t care if you were 100 accurate doing it on his terms you would be subject to a magician s slight of hand and I mean it s a gimmick you know that he uses for his own popularity and so forth ART OK but if yes but if the controls were set up independently from Mr Randi LYN

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  • Remote Viewing - 3 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    elucidate Art ART Well I wouldn t dare stop you LYN I ll pass it on to someone else first ART OK Lyn you say there are anybody else PAUL This is Paul I m convinced there are myself based on remote viewing To the degree and extent what their involvement is with the human race I m not even gonna venture opinions on that I think there are too many opinions already laughs as far as that s concerned but I am convinced that there are what we would call aliens and what we would call extraterrestrial conveyances you know UFOs so to speak JOE This is Joe In my response I m gonna be probably a little more specific One of the problems I have is the definition for alien and there s a lot of constructs that immediately jump to mind when someone brings that subject up I believe based on my remote viewing and my experiences that UFOs are real Let me say that up front I have not seen any evidence that there are aliens associated with UFO phenomena I have not seen direct proof of that However within the context of aliens I would have to say that also based on my experiences I believe that there are entities that people would perhaps call aliens but that doesn t guarantee that they re extraterrestrial they could be essentially time travelers extradimensional projections they could be almost anything ART Sure and I don t think we possess sufficient proof to say one way or the other yet what they might be PAUL Good answer Joe LYN Yes very ART However all of you agree there s certainly something out there other than us JOE This is Joe again This isn t a new issue Art This has been around for 2000 years that we know of and it will continue to be around because those are simply experiences that people are having And while we may not be able to say very much specifically about it other than they are experiences doesn t mean that it should not be properly investigated or looked at What happens unfortunately is that a lot of the data is mixed with disinformation or it s collected improperly or poorly and we wind up with some very interesting concepts about it but we don t get any closer to the truth ART Alright Are there aspects of STAR GATE that the three of you are still unable to discuss publicly LYN Yes Of course JOE I would have to say about 95 of it ART Oh my god really JOE Absolutely ART So when they said STAR GATE is declassified they only generally meant the fact that it existed LYN That s generally so yes PAUL Well here s Paul the biggest body of material that s still classified deals with the actual projects themselves And the reason for that is not the connection with remote viewing but the connection with other intelligence sources and means There is material in some of that some of those projects that could potentially harm our intelligence collection capability it might disclose the existence of some human source that we have ART Human asset and put them at risk or you know there s a lot of stuff in there that isn t even involved with remote viewing that is sensitive and important to American security JOE I would agree with that ART You made a rather startling statement one of you that Ed Dames you felt disclosed some classified material before its time LYN This is Lyn ART Yes Lyn Not only on a few TV shows I think there s one called The Other Side or something like that and radio shows but also I was down in Atlanta one time working with a student and I had the chance to meet a person named Courtney Brown ART Mhmn who was going to put out a book This book was about the STAR GATE project and he asked me to take a copy of the manuscript that he had and read it And in the first chapter of the manuscript now remember everything was still classified highly classified in the first chapter of the manuscript was the list of names of all of the Viewers I went back and I said Courtney you can t publish this and you know if you do they ll confiscate your book or something and anyway I got him to take that first chapter out I asked him Where did you get this information and he said Well I got it from Ed Um when I was a kid watching the old WWII movies and all I knew that the absolute worst treason that any agent could ever do was give the names of the other agents ART Of course I mean you bite the cyanide pill and die before you do that and yet here was the entire list For the purpose of being published while this was still a classified thing Now the reason that upset me so much was because of another incident where Ed at a meeting had gotten up and told what I had done against Hussein and I called him on the phone and I said Ed these are crazy people with guns And I ve got a family here And he just blew it off Well the only purpose I could find for giving those names to Courtney to publish in that book while it was still classified deals with the idea of targeting for remote viewing If you have a name basically you have an address The history of Russian parapsychology has been more aimed at remote influencing than remote viewing or data collection And I I could still find no other reason for giving that information to Courtney than to have something happen to us And that upset me very much and I stayed around while Courtney

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  • Remote Viewing - 4 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    t know what his motivation was but he didn t intend for that information necessarily to be used by an enemy or someone who wished to harm the United States You know of course by releasing it publicly you lose control of that information and you don t know what use it will be put to But that still doesn t constitute treason in the full use indecipherable of the word LYN Paul let me ask you something Do you know of any country in the world that doesn t have an open source literature office I mean San Marino has a little guy that sits in the building you know PAUL Right And the point I made was once you ve said it you don t know who s gonna hear it But intent is part of the definition of treason If you intend to release information to a known enemy that s Treason If you re just spewing it out maybe that s stupidity or maybe that s lack of care or something else but it s not treason ART Alright and to be clear none of you used the word treason treason was the word used in the fax perhaps reasonable interpretation or not reasonable of the allegation of release of classified materials ART So we ll leave that there On with this now Art please ask Paul Smith if he s ever RV d to find out where the 116 lost pages went Paul begins laughing for your information it s a Mormon thing that s from Ron in Birmingham Alabama PAUL And as a matter of fact no I haven t Part of the problem with remote viewing is you can t task yourself If you do then you re already asking for trouble ART Ah you know what the target is and you already have preconceived ideas about the target if you say oh I m gonna go remote view X then you re very likely to find that that s what you expected to find whether or not it s really there Um even if I were interested in you know going into these historical things and looking at all the past historical events dealing with my religion or any other religion if I were to task myself well the information wouldn t be valid ART You would have compromised yourself PAUL Exactly ART Alright Again it s inevitable Ed Dames has done something that will affect the entire remote viewing community He has released or is about to video tapes that purport to be able to teach the general public how to remote view At a price far less than the average remote viewing course apparently costs the public Do you think A it is possible to teach somebody with that method and B what effect will it have if any with so many people out there trying to remote view LYN This is Lyn I m hoping actually that it does work Because I would love to see this talent brought out in more people and I think overall it would raise the entire consciousness of humanity I know that in my own philosophy of teaching I find that every student is so individual that I m very adamant about individualized training And I know that Ed is too However I think many of the general rules of remote viewing the basic rules of remote viewing can probably be taught that way and I m very anxious to find out if it works like I say I hope it does PAUL Let me jump in here this is Paul I taught myself how to play guitar and it took me well I m still trying to master some of what would normally be elementary things to learn if you have an accomplished teacher It is possible to learn things on your own with books or videos or whatever but it s amazing how much of a difference a good teacher will make ART Sure I kind of echo Lyn s feelings it would be great if it was successful and I kinda wish Ed a fair amount of success in a quality video that can help people learn But nonetheless there s a lot to be said for having individual instruction particularly on something as nuanced and as difficult to grasp as this remote viewing functioning is JOE This is Joe I d like to add just one comment to that Lyn made a very good statement when he referred to talent Essentially within the research side of things we ve pretty much firmly established that every living human being has an inherent talent at being psychic Remote Viewing of course any instruction in remote viewing should be teaching the technology or the protocol whatever the approach should teach the appropriate protocol and while you can teach that technology you re gonna be pretty much stuck with the inherent talent within the individual as its displayed There is no existent proof that I m aware of at least from a research standpoint that you can expand or make someone more accurate than what their inherent talent might be ART Alright this is an area where you all disagree isn t it JOE No I don t think so LYN No in fact I agree very much ART Really In other words that the natural talent aspect of it is either very important or not very important LYN As far as this is Lyn as far as learning to connect to get a conscious connection to that part of your subconscious mind which knows the universe or the information that s out there that is extremely teachable How much of the out there your subconscious is able to bring in I think is a matter of talent And you know like teaching a person to play the piano there are some people who have the same number of fingers as the virtuoso

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  • Remote Viewing - 5 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    to him some of the things that are coming up with the Earth is like eighty percent of us is gonna pretty much be uh well saying goodnight ART 85 actually 85 thank you Art I wanna he was talking about a plant pathogen and that it s something intelligent attached a cylindrical shape to Hale Bopp do you have any comments on that LYN I have one comment The nature of remote viewing is that you tend to see what you want to see Now I have through some other remote viewing that I ve done I have also found indicators of a plant pathogen ART Oh really LYN But from a more mundane source that being simple sabotage against the U S And what I ve found is a possible attempted attack of simple biological warfare ART Holy smokes LYN Now if I were to get that impression in a session and it were my tendency to make everything into ETs and so forth then I would naturally assume that it came from there And this is one of the things that is a natural factor of the remote viewing process is that your imagination is just I mean always in there working ART I m not sure that s the answer she wanted to hear or I wanted to hear But I appreciate it LYN laughs Yeah I just I hope it doesn t happen ART But you have seen something similar if not from the same source something similar LYN That s right yes I don t see it as doing much damage to anything I think it would be a very localized thing you know what I saw was a very localized thing and not really a very drastic measure except that here were terrorists who actually made it onto American soil and actually did some damage ART Oh my Alright Thank you ma am for the question and Lyn I ve gotta ask you about something you just said an exact quote you said you tend to see what you want to see LYN That s right ART Now I thought the whole point of controlled remote viewing or technical remote viewing or the original military protocol remote viewing was to eliminate to a great degree your own imagination or your own wishes or wants or imagination from what you were receiving LYN That s absolutely true and the protocols are designed to help you do that You still remain a human being and you still have these tendencies even in your best sessions you still have the tendency to jump to conclusions The term STRAY CAT stands for the Subliminal Transfer of Remembering you know Recollections Anxieties and Yearnings to Consciously Accessible Thought That is when you get a perception in a session by the time it gets to your conscious mind memories have become attached anxieties yearnings you know what you want it to be what you re afraid it is and

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  • Remote Viewing - 6 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    life Whether he since developing and focusing this skill finds himself wittingly or unwittingly say reading family members friends used car salesmen things like that Art and Lyn laugh ART Actually that s a very good question Would it be irresistable Lyn to do that sort of thing apply it to important things in your personal life LYN It s extremely extremely tempting I am very careful about one thing and that is I still have my TOP SECRET clearance There is an executive order which forbids the unauthorized collection of information against American citizens and so I don t do that You know and won t until my security clearance runs out late next year and then I m seriously hoping it s not renewed However the sensitivity to things around you and the picking up of let s say even beyond ambience factors is impossible to get away from once that communication is opened up between your conscious and subconscious it s impossible to get away from that ART Alright Hold it right there Lyn we re at the bottom of the hour we ll be right back good morning everybody what a night this has become Remote Viewing operation STAR GATE I m Art Bell and from the high desert this is the independent CBC radio network as they say don t touch that dial break ART It is and I m not sure you re ever going to hear a program like this again Exactly quite like this to be sure Lyn Buchanan has agreed to stay the entire time So We re dealing with a five hour program a full five hour program If you would like a copy of it and I do this for two reasons to sell tapes and because if I don t give out the number I m driven crazy the fax machine goes nuts I get email I can t possibly answer it all to get a copy of this or any other program that we do with a guest and with reference to this program you can now begin calling 1 800 917 4278 break ART Alright One question before we go back to the phones for Lyn Lyn in project was it called Project STAR GATE LYN Yes uh huh ART Were there all manner of ranks in other words Officers enlisted was it a mixed bag or only officers or what LYN The slots were all basically when I came in were all for officers Mel Riley had been there before right after I came in another person whose name is still not publicly known her first name is Dawn came in and she was a sergeant as well She left I guess about nine or ten months after that and then later I think around 86 Mel came to the unit for his last hitch before retirement All of the other slots were either civilian or officer When I went in I took the slot

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  • Remote Viewing - 7 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    t No it s not the nature of someone who is sent to a site to collect information to want to be seen ART I understand Do you think that remote viewing has anywhere near reached its that we know let me rephrase that that we know as much as we can ultimately know about what can be done with remote viewing LYN Absolutely not We are in kindergarten here ART Kindergarten You bet The future of remote viewing if it s carried on sanely so that it doesn t become a voodoo type thing to be shunned by everyone and if it s carried on scientifically will I mean will open up so many more possibilities And as we grow mentally the potential for growth will expand ART You know I would like to believe that when Ed Dames video tapes get into the hands of so many people out there that great good will come of it LYN I do too ART I really would like to believe that will occur But when I look at today s society and what s going on LYN It s scary ART I don t know Lyn Hold on Lyn we ll be right back to you My guest is Lyn Buchanan and this is probably the definitive program on remote viewing that I suspect has been done He ll be back next hour break ART Once again here I am good morning everybody my guest is Lyn Buchanan In the last hours Joe McMoneagle and Paul Smith were here All three involved in project STAR GATE the military s remote viewing project break ART Now to Lyn Buchanan it is your hour with him whatever questions you might have come now Lyn let me ask you one I ve got a whole pile of faxes here Please ask Lyn if remote viewing could help a person find their soul mate or perfect mate in life and if so how would that be done LYN The answer is yes however let me say that that type of work is sometimes achieved much more easily by some other disciplines Art laughs I ve heard it said that remote viewing ART You re not talking about bar hopping right LYN laughs Oh no As far as the disciplines for parapsychology If you re trying to learn remote viewing in order to get in touch with the universe or your higher self it s sort of like joining the Marines to learn how to fold your clothes It s extremely disciplined and there are easier and sometimes even quicker ways to do it ART Alright and I want to tell everybody that once again on my web site www artbell com there are now a multitude in the guest area a multitude of links to the various remote viewing sites that have been mentioned tonight So back now to the phone and the First Time Caller line ART OK Aaron that s the only sin we have on the show generally not to give your last name So let s begin all over again your name is Aaron CALL Yup And you re calling from where Vancouver B C Alright Go ahead CALL OK I was wondering during your research in the STAR GATE program did you follow the work being done by Charles Honorton in the Ganzfeld experiments LYN The Ganzfeld experiments we had read about them they didn t directly apply to us since we weren t a research side I think the people out at SRI would probably know a whole lot more about it and more of the inside work We were mainly tasked with the use of whatever worked to collect information Now we tried some Ganzfeld work and it worked about the same as the ERV extended remote viewing that we were doing it required a lot more equipment and so basically we just went back to the ERV CALL OK um Ray Hyman he was on the panel the evaluation panel LYN Right uh huh What are your thoughts on his conclusion LYN laughs Well his conclusion the end conclusion was that yes this shows that there is something to remote viewing seemingly however we don t have all of the potentials for shooting it down and so even though we can t shoot it down right now we re just gonna wait until the time comes when we can shoot it down before we make a decision And this to me is not a valid conclusion The conclusion he came to was basically that he admitted that the statistics show that there is value to the remote viewing that there is an actual phenomenon going on but ART Interesting reaction LYN Yeah but let s not decide right now until we can find a way to shoot it down ART laughs From the James Randi school LYN Right laughs ART Alright here s another fax Art I ve heard cases where remote viewers located military targets during the gulf war Can Lyn enlighten us on this subject or is it simply too sensitive LYN There are many aspects of it that are very sensitive There are many aspects of it that generally get talked about with you know because the feeling is that it s not too sensitive at all I think what the question is is could I give an example ART Alright Can you Yes I have no feedback on this one because you know I was the Viewer and this is one we wouldn t get feedback on I did one session where right in the middle of the session what s called a Stage 7 came in and basically my subconscious turned and addressed me and said You re not gonna believe what s coming next ART Really Like a preview Yeah ART A teaser And so I went ahead and did the session and what came next was something I didn

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  • Remote Viewing - 8 of 8 - Transcript of Joseph 'Joe' McMoneagle, Leonard 'Lyn' Buchanan, and Paul H. Smith on the Art Bell radio show, March 25 1997.
    think there d be a lot more joy in remote viewing Marilyn Monroe s life LYN Right Let me say one thing If I get a remote viewer well I ask the remote viewers to work at least five missing children cases after they graduate the course We find one kid and I tell ya they re hooked They don t care about Marilyn Monroe or OJ Simpson anymore at all ART I understand Wild Card line you re on the air with Lyn Buchanan good morning CALL Good morning Gerald from Calgary Alberta greetings to you ART Calgary Alberta Yes sir QR77 Lyn and Art have you ever heard of Jose Silva method It was mainly under mind control but they did lots of remote viewing LYN Right uh huh Yes and the term remote viewing was basically taken by the Silva people and is not the classical definition of remote viewing Now the people who do the Silva Mind work that I ve met have very good results and I say if it works use it It s the stuff taught by the Silva group is not the controlled situational laboratory provable classic remote viewing CALL My second question would you favor us with one of your sharable remote forecasts or current affairs that you could tell us and sort of be a control of your talent ART Alright in other words something that you can tell us is going to occur that will serve as a test LYN Well I basically already have the results that I ve been getting from the plant pathogen thing the attack on the U S ART sounding very depressed Yes I get the impressions that it s going to be happening sometime this Spring or Fall of this year ART Damn I hate that I you know even though you feel the results will be different or more localized hearing that from you and from Ed Dames is very worrisome LYN Oh it is to me too In fact one of the questions that I have on that subdirectory of your page someone asked me about it and I said that if it shows up on the Internet then these what s called Open source intelligence gatherers they gather intelligence from newspapers magazines the Internet and so on they have search engines and if I speak about this on the Internet I know that by the next morning if I have said the word Hussein Arab country stuff like this then that winds up in an intelligence database in a foreign country ART Really LYN And it s my hope to say these things in order to hopefully get some things changed In other words I hope I m wrong And will actively pursue anything I can to be wrong ART So you re you re trying to influence future events actually LYN Through normal means Yes uh huh If you see the future and it s not what you want it to be then I have no qualms in changing it ART One obvious question for a remote viewer is Have you ever thought of or have you remote viewed your own time of death LYN Yes I have uh huh I find it to be oh a fairly peaceful death I don t know how much of that is wishful thinking but that s you know the impression I got Now this was in a sealed envelope so that I didn t know what I was Viewing what the target was and basically what I got was an old fat man in a bed with people around him that cared ART Well that s good result I wonder though about the danger of giving somebody a target of that nature In other words if instead of the old fat guy in the bed with all his friends around you saw you know a Mack truck bearing down on you it could have psychologically injuring injurious results LYN Oh yes I wouldn t give that target to anyone else I gave it to myself just basically out of curiosity ART It s almost like slipping a little LSD into somebody s orange juice you know Sheesh both laugh East of the Rockies you re on the air with Lyn Buchanan hello CALL Hello Art ART Yes You know I have a very good reason for asking Lyn this question The woman who called Beverly Jaegers ART Yes uh huh Lyn do you know her LYN No I don t uh uh Many years ago I have a son missing and assumed dead and many years ago I read about her in I think it was the Enquirer and I called the Lieutenant I think his name was Kirkwood and he got me in touch with her and she was trying with her group at that particular time to try to find out what happened to my son And that s been breaks into tears a long long time ago LYN It s still hard CALL crying and and before I die I have to find out what happened to him dissolves into sobs ART Well do you help people like this Lyn LYN Yes Now one of the problems that I have is this security clearance and for many other reasons as well if there is an investigation going on especially on an American citizen I will only work it through authorized channels And so if someone comes to me and says you know my son is missing or I don t know what happened to so and so ART Yes I will tell them partially because I want to cushion their partially also because it s a necessity that if they will get the investigating officer to contact me I will be glad to work the problem for free CALL There there there is no ART Ma am ma am ma am listen to me listen to me He

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