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  • On An Overgrown Path: Specialisation is damaging classical music
    Haydn string tone often having been the Achilles heel of London orchestras Davis has also said that of works he would most still like to record he would most like to record he would choose the St Matthew Passion but noted that alas the specialists would never allow that As our good host points out the present situation would have been incomprehensible to great conductors of the past whether Walter Klemperer Mengelberg or Furtwängler How is one to hear the Bach in Mahler let alone the Mahler in Bach if one does not know Bach and know him intimately Even if one were to take the ayatollah like view that Bach and Handel were and could only be chamber music it would be necessary to play them for that reason alone Those would confine Bach Mozart Monteverdi or anyone else to a generally grossly misunderstood even on their own terms particular room of the museum I think Paul Bekker used the phrase many years before Boulez drain it of any life Furtwängler was already lamenting that Bach had become today indeed as is also already the case with Beethoven infinitely more of an authority than a vital force Lebensmacht And anyone who has heard Theodor Adorno s blistering attack They say Bach but mean Telemann is unlikely to forget it Adorno quite rightly pointed out in 1951 that in order to neutralise Bach he was being reduced to the level of a generic Baroque composer just at the time when German towns were being prettily restored attempting to wipe away the traces of the recent catastrophe restoration rather than renewal Such was the world from which Hans Werner Henze decided he must escape the period of political reconstruction around and after 1950 the very year of Furtwängler s defiant Vienna Philharmonic performance of the Fifth Brandenburg Concerto from the piano For Henze the period looked like a gradual return to the recent past under which its appalling conditions once again became conceivable He went on to observe that communists old comrades who had been imprisoned by the Nazis were locked up again I have never heard anyone mention this in musical circles Music is after all unpolitical We might likewise observe that heritage Bach must never be connected with Schoenberg or indeed with Stockhausen Boulez put it very well in an intervew quite some time ago It was much more interesting when the period piece being performed was actually distorted by the period performing it At least that implied some creativity even if it caused a few distortions whereas specialized reconstruction leads to a total and remote historicism The more one reconstructs the further one drives things back into history resulting in a totally dead contact the myth of the Golden Age It s like people who think dinner without candlelight is not a proper dinner It s as vulgar as that really rather nouveau riche 1 37 pm carlipops said Davis has also said that of works he would most still like to record he would choose the St Matthew Passion but noted that alas the specialists would never allow that Who are these specialists Why did they not stop Chailly recording it or Rattle performing it recently Is there seriously a suggestion that some of Davis s fellow musicians have a power of veto over his prospective projects I can t imagine it No one in their right mind would want to confine Baroque music to specialists alone In any case no one is actually doing that as Scott pointed out But surely no one in their right ear would suggest that specialists haven t incomparably enriched the scope available for interpreters and listeners alike in great swathes of the repertoire Of course today s finest orchestral performers still perform Baroque music if they think and if they can convince the right people that they have something to say in it On the other hand it s only reasonable that the immensely dedicated and talented performers who specialise in the sound of a particular era should get a hearing as well All the better for all of us the present situation would have been incomprehensible to great conductors of the past whether Walter Klemperer Mengelberg or Furtwängler How is one to hear the Bach in Mahler let alone the Mahler in Bach if one does not know Bach and know him intimately Walter Klemperer Mengelberg or Furtwängler certainly knew Bach s scores intimately But how intimately did they really know his sound Mahler played Bach in New York on a piano with drawing pins in the hammers thank goodness for our specialists and their harpsichords I m a very great fan of Furtwängler s Brandenburg 5 I m also a very great fan of Café Zimmermann s I consider myself very lucky to be able to hear them both 7 50 pm Mark Berry said Well specialists might include the likes of Reinhard Goebel and Gustav Leonhardt both of whom described Furtwängler s Bach as disgusting not bad not misconceived not a curiosity but disgusting A review I once read of a work by Monteverdi I m afraid I can t recall which one described use of period instruments as mandatory There is certainly one reviewer in a well known record magazine clue it is a far superior to what Gramophone has sadly become who jumps on the slightest hint of vibrato as a reason to condemn a recording out of hand and that despite all the evidence pointing even on historicist terms to widespread use of vibrato in eighteenth century music It is such joyless fundamentalists who unfortunately have set the tone for far too long and have scared off others including I surmise Davis from touching the music Even when someone such as Chailly performed the St Matthew Passion it was a performance that in many ways might as well have been on period instruments perversely making the Gewandhaus Orchestra renounce its sound and was for

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  • On An Overgrown Path: I simply do not want sensationalism
    15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors Boredom and the lost art of listening I simply do not want sensationalism Buddhist lama takes the rap Contemporary music uncovered In a nutshell Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows Drowned in a fusion sauce I want to comment and like on Facebook but Great Wagnerian who does not spin the Ring A gritty and angry new symphony Classical music beyond Twitter Please welcome the citizen music journalists Havergal Brian a spurious glamour Two little known Arvo Part premieres Dvorak will never sound the same again A tale of two standards Echoes of Stenhammar BBC Radio 3 whose hand on the balance control Just give me the facts Have celebrity musicians passed their sell by date Aldeburgh is the problem celebrity new music In praise of twitter Scrub all hatred from your breast CDs that should be in every medicine cabinet A bit more Mann and a little less boy please Overpaid over talking and overrated What is a classical musician supposed to look like Analogue alchemy for audiophiles What price

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Buddhist lama takes the rap
    Rinpoche after the latter had a debilitating stroke Michael Richards 10 39 am Pliable said Micheal thanks for pointing out confusion I have now corrected the post accordingly 12 03 pm Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors Boredom and the lost art of listening I simply do not want sensationalism Buddhist lama takes the rap Contemporary music uncovered In a nutshell Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows Drowned in a fusion sauce I want to comment and like on Facebook but Great Wagnerian who does not spin the Ring A gritty and angry new symphony Classical music beyond Twitter Please welcome the

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Contemporary music uncovered
    December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors Boredom and the lost art of listening I simply do not want sensationalism Buddhist lama takes the rap Contemporary music uncovered In a nutshell Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows Drowned in a fusion sauce I want to comment and like on Facebook but Great Wagnerian who does not spin the Ring A gritty and angry new symphony Classical music beyond Twitter Please welcome the citizen music journalists Havergal Brian a spurious glamour Two little known Arvo Part premieres Dvorak will never sound the same again A tale of two standards Echoes of Stenhammar BBC Radio 3 whose hand on the balance control Just give me the facts Have celebrity musicians passed their sell by date Aldeburgh is the problem celebrity new music In praise of twitter Scrub all hatred from your breast CDs that should be in every medicine cabinet A bit more Mann and a little less boy please Overpaid over talking

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  • On An Overgrown Path: In a nutshell
    31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors Boredom and the lost art of listening I simply do not want sensationalism Buddhist lama takes the rap Contemporary music uncovered In a nutshell Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows Drowned in a fusion sauce I want to comment and like on Facebook but Great Wagnerian who does not spin the Ring A gritty and angry new symphony Classical music beyond Twitter Please welcome the citizen music journalists Havergal Brian a spurious glamour Two little known Arvo Part premieres Dvorak will never sound the same again A tale of two standards Echoes of Stenhammar BBC Radio 3 whose hand on the balance control Just give me the facts Have celebrity musicians passed their sell by date Aldeburgh is the problem celebrity new music In praise of twitter Scrub all hatred from your breast CDs that should be in every medicine cabinet A bit more Mann and a little less boy please Overpaid over talking and overrated What is a classical musician supposed to look like Analogue alchemy for audiophiles What price music journalism Columns of jazz soaring upwards June 29 May 5 April 34 March

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows
    choir boys nude is here Jonathan Harvey by Arnold Whittall is published by Faber ISBN0571195814 Nothing is True but Everything is Permitted The Life of Brion Gysin by John Geiger is published by The Disinformation Company Ltd ISBN 1932857125 Both books were purchased Images in montage are of course from top left clockwise Karlheinz Stockhausen Milton Babbitt Brion Gysin and Jonathan Harvey Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Also on Facebook and Twitter Posted by Pliable at Friday July 22 2011 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels Brion Gysin jonathan harvey karlheinz stockhausen milton babbitt 1 comment Dreamachine said Brion was incredible http www joujouka org http www briongysin com http www dreamachine ca http www flickerflicker com http www thebeathotelmovie com http www burroughsthemovie com http www johngeiger net flicker htm http www permugram org http www publicassemblage com http languageisavirus com cutupmachine html 5 57 am Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors Boredom and the lost art of listening I simply do not want sensationalism Buddhist lama takes the rap Contemporary music uncovered In a nutshell Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows Drowned in a fusion sauce I want to comment and like on Facebook but Great Wagnerian who does not spin the Ring A gritty and angry new symphony Classical music beyond Twitter Please welcome the citizen music journalists Havergal Brian a spurious glamour Two little known Arvo Part premieres Dvorak will never sound the same again A tale of two standards Echoes of Stenhammar BBC Radio 3 whose hand on

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Drowned in a fusion sauce?
    24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors Boredom and the lost art of listening I simply do not want sensationalism Buddhist lama takes the rap Contemporary music uncovered In a nutshell Slowly and inexorably he parted from his fellows Drowned in a fusion sauce I want to comment and like on Facebook but Great Wagnerian who does not spin the Ring A gritty and angry new symphony Classical music beyond Twitter Please welcome the citizen music journalists Havergal Brian a spurious glamour Two little known Arvo Part premieres Dvorak will never sound the same again A tale of two standards Echoes of Stenhammar BBC Radio 3 whose hand on the balance control Just give me the facts Have celebrity musicians passed their sell by date Aldeburgh is the problem celebrity new music In praise of twitter Scrub all hatred from your breast CDs that should be in every medicine cabinet A bit more Mann and a little less boy please Overpaid over talking and overrated What is a classical musician supposed to look like Analogue alchemy for audiophiles What price music journalism Columns of jazz soaring upwards June 29 May 5 April 34 March 9 February 33 January 30 2010

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  • On An Overgrown Path: I want to comment and 'like' on Facebook but...
    Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels BBC Radio 3 classical music blogs norman lebrecht tom service 4 comments Philip Amos said Pliable I ve just edited my blogger to display my full name Displaying only my first name was the result of some sort of confusion when I first signed up with Blogger Neither the BBC nor any other of these scallawags hold any fears for me Now retired from academe I didn t work professionally in the field we re discussing or any related and in any case I ve dealt with worse in my time not without some success 4 28 pm Pliable said Philip thanks for that I ve modified the post to include your full name 4 35 pm Pliable said This comment from Carl is worth copying over from my post Classical music beyond Twitter I listened to the second half on a a freeview television set It was interesting to note that the BBC s screen text gave the name of the piece and the composer and a plug for the proms website but did not mention any of the performers not even Martyn Brabbins whose control of the vast forces was simply astonishing However the blurb did single out one important name for special mention On a page all by itself it said presented by Tom Service What a strange sense of priorities http www overgrownpath com 2011 07 classical music beyond twitter html 10 00 am Pliable said Re the comment above Take a look at the BBC Radio 3 Proms programme listing in this example http www bbc co uk programmes b012lmg9 Presenter Petroc Trelawny is billed above the musicians and the repertoire in yet another example of the rapidly growing cult of the presenter 10 08 am Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 January 30 2011 299 December 22 November 21 October 42 September 12 August 24 July 38 Symphonic musicians against specialisation Bach the specialists would never allow that How many black conductors at the BBC Proms Orchestras unable to play a Mozart symphony Specialisation is damaging classical music From Carmen Jones to Arvo Part and beyond Is classical music too lean and mean I don t believe in Negro symphony conductors

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