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  • On An Overgrown Path: Is classical music asking the right questions?
    work 1 32 pm G sus said Mike You are right about support of media players for search on every metadata field However if you have an album with the name of the composer in the Artist field and the name of the main performer in the Album Artist field iTunes displays and sorts albums according to the Album Artist instead of the Artist in its album browser The maintainers of the MusicBrainz database used by most CD ripping software to identify CDs and download their metadata have some reasonable guidelines on how to populate classical music metadata for a correct identification of albums and tracks http wiki musicbrainz org Style Classical but whenever I rip a CD to MP3 as you say I can see that not everyone follows them Metadata in recordings available through the iTunes Store or Spotify are beyond repair in this area Both the recording and the media distribution players are to blame for this The available file formats metadata support a correct identification of composers and performers But their use by recording companies and support by media distribution players is not uniform Regarding cover pictures and font sizes I was referring to practices that have been documented in this blog Will they fix in the digital world the very same problem they created when vinyl recordings ruled the Earth The answer is in the metadata 2 11 pm Greg Wilder said I spent nearly a decade working in the music industry and can assure you they are well aware of this problem It s just not a priority since it has little effect on the sales of 99 9 of music On a brighter note there s a fantastic company out of London working hard to solve this problem called Decibel http www decibel net The people are great and the solution is killer provided they can get industry adoption 2 56 pm Joe Shelby said Annoying is that iTunes the store doesn t display Composer but it definitely has and supports the tag and I use it all the time I tend to buy from amazon I prefer always portable mp3s but first thing I do is copy the downloaded file into iTunes in order to add the metadata I want I tend to set composer set group to the work title artist to conductor orchestra soloist unless it is a release specifically for a famous sololist like Hahn or Bell and then run a tool I wrote to then set the conductor field After that I then merge the file into my own collection which is separately organized by something that only makes sense to me in time I want to muck around with the genre settings to improve this From this point on iTunes s metatagging never sees the file again and I use winamp to play the m3u files I generate from that Yeah it helps being a programmer who can write his own stuff here Works great except for

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  • On An Overgrown Path: The good old days when audiences stormed out
    and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Sunday January 06 2013 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels bbc proms BBC Radio 3 Peter Maxwell Davies 1 comment Norman Perryman said I remember sitting in to sketch a rehearsal of Eight Songs for a Mad King at Max s place in 1974 Max had a mass of black curly hair and wore a long black cape He had a canary in a cage that interrupted frequently Nobody seemed to mind and I can t imagine that work without the chance factor of canary sounds Ah the seventies 7 49 am Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 The buildings in which you play are seen as forbid The practice of engaged classical music Remixing Japan Do classical music s big new ideas have real subst Where late the sweet birds sang Classical music as an antiques roadshow Before mobile ringtones there were air raids Why louder classical music is better classical mus Who needs a conductor A symphony a day keeps the doctor away I find no evil but causes and conditions aplenty Niche work if

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Do try this Cage-inspired listening experiment at home
    s Music for 18 a few other one movement works that are split by the CD master I think a Simpson or a few nordic composers have pressings like this Finally there are some things that I can do without going into a shuffle like It s Gonna Rain so the shuffle algorithm needs to consider rating which iTunes for Mac PC does or at least did prior to version 11 which I ve heard bad things about Here in the states given that most classical stations are public radio they generally also play the 17th and early 18th century works way out of proportion to 20th century and modern composers are utterly unheard and some of this is not just due to audience expectation but also that being low funded they have negotiated their licenses with ASCAP etc to keep their expenses low by only playing a certain small percentage of works that require royalty payments 3 37 pm Pliable said Joe thank you for remembering Toru Takemitsu It has been in my mind for some time that I should revisit his music So I have paused my chance experiments and am currently listening to his works for flute and guitar http www prestoclassical co uk r Ondine ODE8392 4 14 pm Ole Martin Halck said A small problem with your CD randomization procedure is that it has its own bias apart from that of your collection If you use it for a while you ll find that a given composer with a rare initial will be played far more often than a given composer with a frequent initial If you e g have Quantz and Xenakis as the sole Q and X in your collection they ll each turn up in nearly 4 out of 100 selections whereas e g Berg a composer with a small catalogue buried I would guess in a huge pile of music by B composers would stand very little chance In the physical case this is easily fixed of course e g by segmenting by feet or yards of shelf space rather than by letter Re Joe s comment This is a feature I ve wanted from media player software for a long time the ability to group tracks together e g movements into works or songs into albums and shuffle the groups rather than the tracks Maybe some have it 3 38 am Pliable said Ole you are of course quite right and thanks for pointing that out I guess that the real solution for a CD library like mine is to scan all the discs into a database using their barcodes and then use a random selection algorithm from that database But that will need someone with considerably more software skills than me to write This thread is providing a very useful discussion about chance listening choices But it is also scratching the surface of the whole area of music recording categorisation cataloguing and storage It has long puzzled me as

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  • On An Overgrown Path: All we are saying is give chance a chance
    3 1 comment JMW said So many riches in your photo detail It makes one want to stay home for a week and do nothing but blind listen from one s own collection 4 10 am Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 The buildings in which you play are seen as forbid The practice of engaged classical music Remixing Japan Do classical music s big new ideas have real subst Where late the sweet birds sang Classical music as an antiques roadshow Before mobile ringtones there were air raids Why louder classical music is better classical mus Who needs a conductor A symphony a day keeps the doctor away I find no evil but causes and conditions aplenty Niche work if you can get it Claude Vivier disorder chances and momentary be Bach triumphs over bite Goodbye HMV and hello digital era Listening with the ears of the heart Goodbye to Berlin Pricey Grimes Messiaen takes a trip The lady is a record producer The silences of sound Is classical music asking the right questions The good old days when audiences stormed out Do try this Cage inspired listening experiment at All we are saying is give chance

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Classical music should give up its likes and dislikes
    and broadcast programmes could make classical music choose the right questions and banish for ever the last gasp of a dinosaur syndrome evident in the 2013 Vienna new year s day concert As Cage explains chance can be combined with choice using filters to make to make the results commercially viable e g that there is at least one box office work in a programme and that in the case of a concerts there is compatibility between the forces required for each piece Experiments of this nature would result in George Lloyd and other deserving composers receiving mainstream exposure without subjecting them to the perils of the dead composer bounce In 2013 I will be experimenting with chance techniques to eliminate likes and dislikes from my home listening and early results with random selection from my CD and LP collection have been very stimulating particularly when compared with the broadcast alternative It is very easy to dismiss the use of chance techniques in classical music programming as idealistic and impractical nonsense But if we do we are dismissing the thinking of a visionary who we have just spent a year celebrating Acknowledgement is due to inspiration from Kay Larson s curiously overlooked Where the Heart Beats John Cage Zen Buddhism and the Inner Life of Artists Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Also on Facebook and Twitter Posted by Pliable at Thursday January 03 2013 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels alex ross George Lloyd John Foulds havergal brian john cage roger wright william glock 3 comments Pliable said Ralph Spurrier comments via Facebook Very interesting and most apt I attended a Brighton Phil concert in December in which Moeran s 2nd symphony was programmed together with the Ireland piano concerto Butterworth s Idylls and Warlock s Capriol Hardly a taxing programme you d agree but a Brighton Phil concert organiser I was chatting to beforehand was bemoaning the fact that whenever English items are included then there is a fall in ticket sales As it was the hall was 3 5ths full and I heard many comments from what I can only assume were first time listeners of the Ireland and the Moeran which were highly complimentary along the lines of well that was a surpise 12 39 pm Pliable said John Mclaughlin Williams also via Facebook Prophets unsung in their homeland wherever they be 1 07 pm Pliable said Facebook seems to be the medium of choice for this post now Rich Hughes of Cambridge 105 has commented Nice piece Whole heartily agree Having a radio show that some members of the station have complained about for being too challenging I appreciate this http cambridge105 fm 1 40 pm Post

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Move over iPhone - here comes vinyl
    switched the Arcam amplifier over to the tuner and saw into the musical soul of BBC Radio 3 Rob Cowan was challenging educating and inspiring listeners with an orchestral arrangement of April in Paris More riches from my Thorens TD125 here Photo copyright On An Overgrown Path Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and other errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Monday July 16 2007 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels alban berg aracam arnold schoenberg audio technica BBC BBC Radio 3 berlin philharmonic bowers and wilkins bpi herbert von karajan iphone mp3 rob cowan thorens vinyl white stripes 5 comments JW said Wow you re taking me way back For those of us who really loved music and that particular vinyl sound the above post is just straight hi fi pornography Thanks for the memories 2 22 pm Pliable said Amusing that this post made it onto iPhonews com 4 06 pm Pliable said Email received Vinyl yes for sure Take the avant garde in classical Music take improvised Music take free jazz etc Examples of recordings vinyl which have never ever been re released on CD are plentiful Today I got the last newsletter from Downtown Music Gallery NY nothing but vinyl In Jazz this blogger http destination out com blog 200605314357 php makes it all available drop after drop Luciano Berio There s this http mac texier ircam fr textes c00000008 There s also a site where you can find all his music which wasn t released on CD Only on vinyl 8 13 pm Pliable said Email received Hello I also remember listening to that DG album of Second Viennese orchestral music on LPs my first hearing of some of those pieces when I was a college student What I believe is the full musical content of the original album has been issued on a 3 CD set by the Musical Heritage Society a record club based in New Jersey that re releases many discs originally issued by the big labels They also offer recordings unique to their own imprint Musical Heritage Society discs are available only to members of the Society it is one of those subscription services like the Book of the Month Club I don t know if membership in the club is available in Europe or if there are restrictions due to copyright issues The same organization also runs Jazz Heritage Society a similar organization for jazz recordings Of course the MHS re issue lacks the large format book that came with the LP edition with good wishes James Primosch Dr James Primosch Robert Weiss Professor of Music Department of Music University of Pennsylvania 6 55 am Pliable said That DG vinyl set did make it onto

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Now where did he put that Rumi CD?
    said lovely post bob are you sure ginger isn t looking for a book instead Cats they re so unfaithful you know Or at least 8 10 are 3 25 am Pliable said Billoo I have looked at the photo again and think you are right I can now see that Ginger is reaching for a volume on David Hockney presumably in search of Hockney s painting Mr and Mrs Clark and Percy which features a white cat called Percy Actually the cat was called Blanche but that is another story And yes cats are unfaithful While I was typing that post Ginger jumped up on my newly cleaned car walked across the bonnet and roof with muddy paws and ran off http en wikipedia org wiki Mr and Mrs Clark and Percy 2 09 pm Andy Lee said I can t help but noticing that there s an orange CD in that image that looks suspiciously like a certain Ann Southam CD of mine If so I hope you enjoyed enjoy will enjoy it If not please pardon my ego centric perspective 4 39 pm Pliable said Andy sorry to disappoint but that orange CD is actually The Songs of Taizé on Naive http www overgrownpath com 2006 10 there is green hill far away called html But a link to an Ann Southam CD never goes amiss 4 46 pm Andy Lee said Good to know that there are other orange CDs floating about Enjoying the writing as always 5 26 pm Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 October 23 September 12 August 20 July 27 June 27 May 7 April 32 March 27 February 24 What sparked the Mahler revival Is dumbing up classical music s next big thing Wine women and Buddhism Breaking exclusive on the Oscar winners If that is what classical music is it s really gr If you dig Led Zeppelin try this Janacek New chief conductor but the same old tune Classical music is excited about the wrong things Aldeburgh s poignant song without words A Swiss born female Lawrence in man drag Brass bands and Xenakis are not a crazy mix Salvation Army band plays Xenakis Now where did he put that Rumi CD Music on the other side of the great celebrity div Classical music has many saviours Postcards from a forgotten

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Beethoven's grand slam
    is c On An Overgrown Path 2010 Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Thursday October 21 2010 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels arup acoustics BBC Radio 3 britten sinfonia grateful dead james macmillan jonathan harvey nicholas daniel norwich snape maltings 6 comments JoshMc said I just started following your blog so I missed out on the last post about adding bass to classical music but I can remember going to my first opera at the Met and being thoroughly underwhelmed I grew up on rock hip hop and electronic music and while I knew classical music wasn t amplified I didn t expect it to sound like a distant murmur Granted I was in the cheapest seats in the place but that s because it was all I could afford and probably all any curious music fan would be willing to shell out to see what an opera is like for the first time So I asked on a forum of composers whether it would be beneficial for classical music to go amplified w o giving my opinion The response was astoundingly negative I felt as though I had just made a joke about their mothers One person even claimed that it s better to not be amplified because it allows them to figure out who s a good singer and who isn t relating a story about how a poor singer ruined an opera he recently attended Do we really want to sit through terrible performances just so we can decide who s good It s a silly method anyway Pop music fans know when a singer is good or not how do they do it if it s only possible without amplification There are definitely plausible ways to add it in and create a better experience for people especially underwhelmed new fans that doesn t destroy the delicate dynamics that the genre requires I think this is the fear that stops it from happening Hope you don t mind the length 6 25 pm Pliable said JoshMc welcome to the path and thank you for your thoughtful contribution I have to confess that until recently I was dismissive about the use of amplification in classical music But two things have made me rethink that position First people like Jonathan Harvey whose opinion I respect hugely are saying we need to question classical music s performance conventions Secondly I am starting to understand what digital sound enhancement can add As I say in my post it is not about rock style bass bins A CSTB technician explains in the link in my article The amount of sound energy added to the hall is very small the sound is not noticeably amplified Classical music should never sound like a distant murmur We need to understand what electro acoustic sound enhancement systems can offer before we dismiss them 7 04

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