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  • On An Overgrown Path: How the intermediary has become the message
    a near sycophantic response is the last thing I will get from you Your point about being jumped on elsewhere by the usual suspects is so true For reasons I won t go into here I have recently spent some time lurking on a very large non music forum and the trend you identify was very evident there Self appointed experts many of who didn t know what they were talking about roamed the forum and buried any posts that deviated from the orthodoxy in snide comments Apart from being very unpleasant this stifled any attempt at intelligent discussion I have been involved with the internet since the early 1990s and am becoming increasingly concerned that we do not really understand the monster we have created Our daughter is professionally involved working with victims of cyber bullying and other forms of online abuse and what I hear from her makes me even more concerned 8 31 pm Andy Memz said Like What you say is true and I agree with Scott as well I used to have three music blogs and a forum about music I wanted to show my superb musical taste but I also wanted to engage with like minded readers who might challenge me on some views or would lead me to similar artists that I was unfamiliar with I was lucky if I got any comments on my blogs and luckier if those comments were longer the one sentence I branched out into a forum because It alowed me to offer hassle free illegal downloads of what I was discussing and for others to counter my posts with their own suggestions along similar lines Once again the masses were passive eager to lap up whatever was offered but getting a response longer than Thanks was like pulling teeth Soon we had a hundred members three or four of them being regular contributors and ninety or more leeches With so few participants there were few commonalities between us and we mostly posted our own sub genres with little cooperation or dialogue People really are sheep They elect a few as tastemakers and are satisfied to then comment on the poor job their anointed ones are doing Instead of the web uniting the world a few megasites are dividing us into factions against each other and any hint of compromise is quashed 3 48 pm Scott said am becoming increasingly concerned that we do not really understand the monster we have created Agree strongly There has been so much burbling about the advantages of the internet and being connected and so on that intelligent comment on the dark side is only now beginning to show up with reasonable frequency And some of the dark side is very dark indeed as your daughter s comments suggest 11 56 pm Pliable said Scott thanks for your two comments They have sparked a further post on this subject http www overgrownpath com 2013 11 classical music must return to edge of

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  • On An Overgrown Path: If classical music is not live it is dead
    and the sound coming from the orchestra or quartet or opera house The fact that there are many other people sitting in the same room with you or any other environmental detail doesn t add anything to the experience 8 27 pm A C Douglas said An earlier post touched on Bell s theorem which asserts that one subatomic object can affect another such object without even the slightest interval of time or space separating them I m afraid you ve got that theorem more than a little confused Bell s experiments confirmed that at the subatomic i e quantum scale and under certain circumstances doing something to a subatomic particle at one location could instantly affect another subatomic particle of the same sort no matter how physically distant the two particles were one from the other The phenomenon is called quantum entanglement ACD 8 29 pm Pliable said TUP The fact that there are many other people sitting in the same room with you or any other environmental detail doesn t add anything to the experience if you ever have the chance to attend for instance a Promenade concert in the Albert Hall you may well change that view And incidentally please can we keep block capitals and bold type for funeral invitations ACD thanks for clarifying that point In fact the clarification makes Bell s theorem more relevant to the post and I have amended the text accordingly 8 59 pm The Unrepentant Pelleastrian said Pliable If you ever have the chance to attend for instance a Promenade concert in the Albert Hall you may well change that view No that will not alter my perspective or my feelings Listening and studying the great masterpieces in the privacy of my home was and continues to be for me the most thrilling activity As a native of northern New Jersey of course I enjoy going to Carnegie Hall and the Metropolitan Opera once every few months and donate what I can but that never compared to being able to get to know so many masterpieces in such detail at home I cannot begin to describe how many times solitary listening lifts me to the heights of aesthetic experience Is live performance better I think the most renowned orchestras tend to be so precise well rehearsed and consistent that they sound inhuman in live performance as well Not that I m complaining I actually admire that But I simply don t see why the communal experience should automatically be viewed as better There is just something very special about being alone with the music as far as I m concerned 9 13 pm Pliable said TUP we are actually in agreement My post is not about the benefits of the communal listening experience It is about classical music being surprisingly sensitive to external circumstances You say that for you there is just something very special about being alone with the music I have no problem with that at all it

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Does the sound matter anymore?
    speakers are Bowers Wilkins Nautilus 803s Sennheiser 580 headphones are also used There is a mains conditioner constructed by our electronics graduate son to smooth the sometimes noisy rural electricity supply The secondary audio systems in other rooms all put the emphasis on loudspeaker quality Online sources are usually auditioned via KEF Q50s floor standers in my study The Thorens front end can be seen in this article The Simax CD of George Crumb s Makrokosmos I II was purchased from Prelude Records All audio equipment mentioned in this article was bought at retail price Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Saturday November 15 2008 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels acoustic research aracam BBC Radio 3 ellen ugelvik george crumb hi fi naxos quad thorens td125 3 comments Pliable said With apologies to my readers in Norway for re locating Hifiisentralen to another Scandinavian country in an early version of this post 4 59 pm Brian Rossmann said Yes sound matters And the best sound is still analog on vinyl Rega P9 Turntable Rega RB 1000 Tonearm Clearaudio Maestro Cartridge Naim CD5 Compact Disc Player Naim Flatcap II Power Supply McIntosh MA6900 Integrated Amplifier with MM Phono Section Vandersteen 2CE Signature Speakers But the best part 3 000 LPs amassed over several decades I will also admit to 70GB of music FLAC files on my PC at work which I listen to with a HeadRoom Desktop amp power supply and Denon AH D5000 cans but this can t hold a candle to the rig at home 9 06 pm Lyle Sanford RMT said Your link today to this post reminded me I meant to comment on it and never did One of my favorite music bloggers Terry Teachout back a while ago was singing the praises of his iPod and ear buds saying they were wonderful and worked fine for him He mentioned the highs weren t there but that older folks don t hear them anyway My immediate thought was the point you make here about bass Plus the whole notion of feeling the sound with your whole body as well as hearing with the ear drums Couldn t help suspecting that he s listening analytically to write about the music but missing that somatic component that can be so important to other listeners and dancers 2 00 pm Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014

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  • On An Overgrown Path: How classical music was covertly dumbed down
    this strand links via synaptic paths to the whole area of meta content and neuroplasticity When I wrote about meta content recently I explained how research has shown that classical music needs to be a deep and content rich experience yet dumbed down digital formats are the enemy of deep and rich sound content My post on neuroplasticity was headed Research proves audiences become what they listen to and we know that audiences now listen to compromised MP3 and iPod sound for much of the time So unless things change not only will classical audiences become the music they listen to but they will also become the sound they listen to Which means that poor quality factory made violins really will become the concert hall standard Sources include Eyes as Fenestrations to the Ears A Novel Mechanism for High Frequency and Ultrasonic Hearing Author Martin L Lenhardt published in The International Tinnitus Journal Response of Human Skull to Bone Conducted Sound in the Audiometric Ultrasonic Range Authors Zhi Cai Douglas G Richards Martin L Lenhardt Alan G Madsen published in The International Tinnitus Journal Analysis of Vinyl LP High Frequency Content Author anonymous published in Channel D Also on Facebook and Twitter Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Posted by Pliable at Friday August 23 2013 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels classical music Google Glasses ipod mp3 3 comments Elaine Fine said There s nothing wrong with bone conduction research when it comes to helping people who have very little in the way of hearing but for music it is SO MUCH MORE enjoyable to be able to hear it and see it being played in real time and in real space No matter what the intermediate medium whether it blots out a whole family of frequencies or not the only way to really engage people in listening to classical music is to offer live performances of good music that is well played in an environment that doesn t have other distractions No matter how realistic your uncannily realistic a jelly bean seems to taste it doesn t have any of the nutritive value of the food it is tricking your brain into thinking it s tasting There s a world of expression and nuance that is compressed away when it s recorded even by the best equipment and the best engineers My hope is that eventually people will realize that and more people who spend their lives in search of nuance and meaning in their music making will have a way to make their livings through playing concerts for audiences who know the difference 2 39 pm Pliable said More on this path in Breaking Norman Lebrecht gets it completely right http www overgrownpath com 2013 08 breaking norman lebrecht gets it html 11 45

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Classical music must stop reacting and start 'just sitting'
    Zen Buddhism Within Zen the Sōtō sect seeks enlightenment by just sitting in silent meditation while the Rinzai sect seeks enlightenment by grappling with impenetrable riddles known as koans Zen master Shunryū Suzuki taught that we find our treasure by watching and waiting and enlightenment in classical music comes not from big new ideas but from just sitting in the concert hall and grappling with the initially impenetrable koans of music from Arne to Xenakis In his recent eloquent tribute to James DePreist Grammy winning conductor John McLaughlin Williams tells of how at his first hearing of Bruckner s Fourth Symphony though I thought the music very long I remember being mesmerized by what seemed endless paragraphs of sound In other words John McLaughlin Williams cracked the koan of a notoriously impenetrable composer by just sitting And as Zen enlightenment cannot be speeded by shortening the time spent sitting in meditation or by making koans easier to solve so appreciating classical music cannot be speeded by moving the just sitting to alternative venues or making the musical koans easier to solve by programming short and catchy pieces Art or entertainment is one way of expressing classical music s dilemma But a more accurate one is Instant gratification or delayed gratification We live in an age of instant gratification but classical music cannot deliver instant gratification and any attempt to make it do so destroys its very essence Research into delayed gratification such as Walter Mischel s celebrated Stanford marshmallow experiment links delayed gratification to age and connects its practice to positive factors such as physical and psychological health academic achievement and social competence Actualising those research findings will have far more impact on the future of classical music than applause between movements or short and catchy new music Doom mongers such as Max Hole Deutsche Grammophon s ultimate boss delight in portraying classical music as moribund Which is nonsense I wrote recently about the Academy of Ancient Music delighting a diverse audience in a new and welcoming concert hall in the provinces and similar affirmative experiences happen every day around the globe Classical music is a living and vibrant art it has evolved over the centuries and will continue to change in the future and Pocket Symphonies is a valid contribution to that narrative of change But the bottom line is that instantaneous musical enlightenment is an unachievable goal so classical music must stop reacting to misguided pressure from the instant gratification lobby and instead focus more on just sitting Pocket Symphonies was supplied as a requested review sample and thanks go to Mascha Litterscheid at Artist ahead for her co operation Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Also on Facebook and Twitter Posted by Pliable at Tuesday February 12 2013 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Scientists explain how classical music changes the world
    Jerome Langguth said I found the following quote in an excellent article by David Fine that Kyle Gann posted on his blog The full article can be found here http www newmusicbox org articles the entertainer It might be relevant to your theme which I don t find to be twaddle at all but very interesting I want to discover a method so that if I want it to rain it will start immediately to rain If one of my friends is ill I d like to play a certain song and he ll be cured When he d be broke I d bring out a different song and immediately he d get all the money he needed But what these pieces are and what is the road to attain the knowledge of them that I don t know The true powers of music are still unknown To be able to control them must be I believe the goal of every music John Coltrane Thanks for your courageous explorations Jerome 12 04 pm Lyle Sanford RMT said I just put the link to this post over on the one mentioned above My intuition tells me that what you re pointing to is very much there and will come up trumps as the empirical knowledge accumulates 4 18 pm brutus said I saw the twaddle remark and thought something similar but it doesn t exactly surprise me that some scientific support is found at the level of quantum entanglement Problem is the two theatres of operation are so wholly discrete that the hope of manipulating things at the quantum level which would then manifest at the level of ordinary objects in human experience well that s just more twaddle Besides what I like about classical music is not its usefulness in curing cancer or creating baby geniuses So as fascinating as your hypothesis might be I ll skip over it like I do the subject of music business in favor of discussions of style and taste and beauty 6 25 pm Pliable said Isn t is sad that informed debate online and any aspiration to style taste and beauty eventually fall victim to pejoratives such as twaddle My tolerance level for informed debate and constructive disagreement on this my personal website remains high But my tolerance level for these kind of pejoratives is now zero 9 41 pm brutus said Am I being misunderstood I want to read discussions of style taste and beauty but I don t want to read about how science diverts music to some other agenda or even how science purports to explain why I like something I admit I have a low tolerance for quantum anything even if it s progessing just barely from purely theoretical stuff to having a real explanatory function Applicability still lies far over the horizon 10 36 pm Pliable said Brutus no you are not being misunderstood at all In your first comment you used a pejorative as in the two

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  • On An Overgrown Path: What quantum entanglement can teach classical music
    do and what not to in the search for new audiences Update new academic research confirms that classical music is non local Read the report here Also on Facebook and Twitter Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Posted by Pliable at Saturday January 04 2014 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels Ann Jauregui Arcam bowers and wilkins Huston Smith Synergistic Research Quantum SR 20 fuse 10 comments A C Douglas said Bypassing your questionable quantum entanglement analogy I most heartedly agree with your general thesis and freely confess the fuse thing kind of blew my mind Never would I have guessed that the fuse was a critical factor in this business However you ve omitted a factor that s of cardinal critical importance in the accuracy of classical music reproduction the acoustic of the listening room If that factor isn t what it should be all else is largely for naught largely but not of course entirely I know this because in much earlier days but hardly at all today as I now live in an apartment that makes using loudspeakers an impossibility I too was a devoted audiophile Thorens TD125 SME arm Decca cartridge Quad aka Acoustical Manufacturing Co Ltd later changed to QUAD Electroacoustics Ltd electronics amplifiers control unit tuner Quad full range electrostatic loudspeakers ESL63 and a specially designed for use with Quad ESLs subwoofer etc etc etc and spent untold days and nights designing and testing my listening room until I d made it everything it should be No easy task I can assure you and appallingly expensive That notwithstanding it was all well worth the trouble and in spades I can assure you of that as well ACD http www soundsandfury com 5 32 pm Pliable said ACD fascinated to hear that your experience with high performance fuses mirrors mine I must confess that when I saw your name come up ahead of the comment I tensed myself for a rebuttal Just shows how we need to ditch our preconceptions Have a great New Year 5 48 pm A C Douglas said ACD fascinated to hear that your experience with high performance fuses mirrors mine Actually what I meant was that your tale of the high accuracy fuse blew my mind I never even considered the fuse to be a factor at all ACD 6 01 pm A C Douglas said Oh and a great New Year to you as well ACD 6 02 pm Pliable said ACD no problem let s just rephrase that great to hear your views on classical music being non localised mirror mine 6 10 pm Jon said You ve finally reached a level of twaddle that prompts me to stop reading your blog A shame 7 02 pm Pliable said Many thanks for reading On An

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  • On An Overgrown Path: So who deserves more credit than the musicians?
    study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Posted by Pliable at Monday January 06 2014 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels BBC Four TV BBC Radio 3 classic fm GI Gurdjieff jessica duchen petroc trelawny roger wright 1 comment Pliable said This is relevant to my post http www thoroughlygood me 2014 01 06 in the blue corner 12 34 pm Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 Music of non changes New audiences want classical music up close and pe Importance of the negative view How Benjamin Britten backed Pete Seeger Eternal feminine or eternal spin How new technology did not save the record industr Art for music s sake Seeing things in a different light Not so mellow cello Culture does not die it reincarnates This is the house that Elgar built Classical radio loses yet more audience How classical music found a flourishing new audien Classical music as a journey of joy and self disco In classical music all that Twitters is not gold Wagner Mahler and Shostakovich all sound like fil Paul Tortelier demonstrates the perils of televisi Kitten on the harpsichord keys Why not play the premier league composers more oft We need to widen the definition of forbidden music They ve opened

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