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  • On An Overgrown Path: Is a miracle maestro worth £20,000 a concert?
    community based organisations in all walks of life and it would seem that in journalism the co operative s time could have come If you re read that paragraph substituting classical music for journalism it still makes perfect sense My research failed to uncover whether the Simón Bolívar Symphony Orchestra is self governing But the four main London orchestras excluding the BBC Symphony and the Berlin Philharmonic have all been self governing for a long time Things are a little different in the States but the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra the Colorado Symphony Orchestra the Louisiana Philharmonic Orchestra and the Tulsa Symphony Orchestra are also self governing The latter three ensembles rose from the ashes of bankrupt contract orchestras a path that others may well need to follow Away from symphony orchestras the co operative model is less well established But examples include the New York based Composers Collective which in the 1930s numbered Henry Cowell Marc Blitzstein Hanns Eisler and Aaron Copland among its members Cornelius Cardews experiments with his Scratch Orchestra and AMM and the Camberwell Composers Collective which has performed at Aldeburgh Music s Faster Than Sound Recorded music distribution management agencies and concert promotion seem obvious areas where as Alex Klaushofer suggests the co operative model could restore the connection between product profit and quality I will be among many listening to Gustavo Dudamel and the Simón Bolívar Symphony Orchestra performing Mahler s Second Symphony at this evening s BBC Prom But can we continue to pay miracle maestros 20 000 a concert while orchestras are going to the wall and audiences face financial hardship Or has the music co operative s time come There is a useful three part article on musicians involvement in the governance of symphony orchestras here and a guide to setting up a co operative in the creative industries can be downloaded here More on the finances of the BBC Proms here and on top musician s fees here I came across Alex Klaushofer through a chance reading of her Paradise Divided A Portrait of Lebanon It is recommended on all counts but particularly for its chapters on the little known Druze community in Lebanon an esoteric sect with links to Islam Gnosticism Abrahamism and other philosophies Background image credit The Cultural Worker Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Also on Facebook and Twitter Posted by Pliable at Friday August 05 2011 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels 2011 BBC Proms Alex Klaushofer askonas holt camberwell composers co operative classical music cornelius cardew gustavo dudamel simon bolivar symphony orchestra 2 comments Pliable said Tweets sparked by this post are entertaining particularly this one http twitter com vonhaller status 99441740406194176 and this one http twitter

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Dangerous people who make our problems insoluble
    disputes in American orchestras that this may well cause the collapse of classical music as we know it Is this not another way of saying that the conductors labour relations have been more effective Many all of the conductor player comments and diagnoses apply equally well to corporate CEO s workers it seems to me 9 08 pm Pliable said Scott I m quite happy to disagree amicably on this one rather than get locked into a circular discussion Also quite happy to be termed deliberately naive if that is what is needed to register my horror at this level of remuneration in a sector of the arts that is pleading poverty every single day of the week Let s call it a day and go back to record company PR releases 9 12 pm Pliable said Scott says in conclusion Agree An ongoing pleasure to have somewhere where a civilized disagreement is possible and instructive thanks again 6 23 am John said Interesting that three of your chosen conductors were established names when I began listening to classical music some 30 years ago Gilbert is six years younger than me 10 11 am Philip Amos said James Sinegal co founder of Costco when asked why he took a base salary of only 350 000 replied How much do I need Sinegal was ranked as one of the best CEOs by Fortune so out goes the argument that those staggering salaries elsewhere are necessary to attract the best And symphony orchestras are corporations today as is nigh on everything else So just where did this business of 50000 for a Perlman recital 18000 to Reich just for showing up multiple music directorships at massive salaries with orchestras lucky to see their director five weeks a year etc start I have no doubt with management agencies notably those who have long rosters of artists also represent orchestras and have fingers in operatic pies and in recording companies This is a moral issue Artists know orchestras and opera houses are collapsing That in the States a top member of a mid range orchestra might get 75000 p a That they get gigs with certain orchestras at vast fees because the agent also represents orchestras and can use a little persuasion re who an orchestra must engage to get who they also want So those ludicrous fees had better be paid and few artists seem bothered by the financial fall out But this is half the problem SOs are corporations often headed by MBAs everything to an MBA is a product and all products are Big Macs susceptible to the same business model they learned at school Double disaster for many also have little interest in the organizations they head little in its true product It is all the bottom line PR image and spin They are wrong it is often disastrous and it plays into the hands of the agencies I make here a general point based on cases I know too

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Don't try this on your Kindle
    of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Thursday November 29 2012 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels Arturo Toscanini harold rutland Kaikhosru Sorabji thomas beecham wilhelm furtwangler 2 comments Elaine Fine said I find books convenient places to stash articles obituaries and sometimes letters from the writer Never in my wildest dreams would I ever paste a clipping into a book However if I found this book in a used book store I would probably buy it because it reflects something of a dialogue between a dedicated reader the subject matter and the times I tend to shy away from used books that are highlighted because they were obviously used for some kind of study purpose but a book that has been marked up can sometimes be kind of thrilling to read I remember looking at my father s copy of a memoir by a conductor he worked with for many years All over the place were notes that read not true and didn t happen There s a place for underlining and commentary in works of non fiction 6 19 pm Philip Amos said I must second Elaine Fine s point in her last paragraph Books on certain subjects with marginalia written by people distinguished in that field are prizes indeed I was trying to think of an example I would pounce on like a panther and there popped into my head the notion of any books on Beethoven owned and marked by Rene Leibowitz His complete Beethoven symphonies which I ve owned since their issue in 1961 and have been reissued on Chesky have splendid sound the RPO still at its best but most notably passionate intense performances at startling tempi not heard again for the best part of two decades And so I wonder what line of thought brought him to these tempi and as he idolized Schoenberg and studied with Webern did they play a part in his thinking about the symphonies in general There can be astonishing revelations in the marginalia of the sort of books Elaine and I are thinking of There are not a few such treasures to be found especially at auctions 10 59 am Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Why let the facts get in the way of a good industry myth?
    at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Tuesday November 27 2012 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels aldeburgh Bury Saint Edmunds Colonel Gaddafi Tinariwen tuareg Waterstones No comments Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257 December 21 November 17 October 31 September 8 August 35 July 24 June 24 May 8 April 31 March 8 February 24 January 26 2012 276 December 22 November 25 Does classical music really need an acceptable fac Don t try this on your Kindle Dangerous people who make our problems insoluble Why let the facts get in the way of a good industr Is debate about Britten s boys censorious hysteri Nobody owns a dead composer JSB on LSD Stormy weather forecast for Britten anniversary For Saint Cecilia The very short viola in my life Condescending classics do not attract new audien Seal symphony Contemporary reboot of a radio classic Classical music must return to its esoteric roots Raga a good bargain Ghetto music celebrates the festival of lights Sample John Cage s famous 4ft 3in piece There s a lot of space in your music but it s all She made her life a bridge for others to cross Great art has come forth from masters of public re I hear those voices that will not

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Does classical music really need an acceptable face?
    removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Friday November 30 2012 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels alan gilbert Charles Dutoit Gustvo Dudamel James Levine michael tilson thomas sufism 4 comments Lyle Sanford RMT said As sort of a corollary to what you re saying it seems to me all the focus on the big names is like gold plating the capstone of the pyramid while the rest of it crumbles or building fancy home on a lake while the feeder streams are drying up Amateur and small scale music making got whacked by recorded music so the relationship of the big names to the whole is different So I think your focus on animateurs which looks to rebuild the crumbling parts of the pyramid and refresh the feeder streams is right on target 1 52 pm JMW said Your fable s premise is remarkably similar to the plot of Franz Schreker s opera Der Ferne Klang Fritz searches the world for his elusive distant sound only to discover upon his death bed that i the personage of Grete it had been in front of him all the time Let s hope our search for the music ends a bit better 8 26 pm Gavin Plumley said Odd that one of these link triggers a picture and story in which Bernstein is depicted as a hero Surely it was his or rather his ruthless Broadway talent agent s haggling that drove conductor s salaries up and up and up 9 43 am Pliable said Gavin the linked post does not depict Bernstein as a hero It depicts him and I quote a true animateur if ever there was one It is interesting how responses to posts like this always fall into one of two categories One category expresses a view on contentious subjects such as the level of star conductor s salaries Those responses invariably come from readers with no direct connection to the commercial intermediary complex The other category of response does not express a view but is happy to snipe at those who do Invariably these come from readers closer to the commercial intermediary complex Which is not surprising as the power of the commercial intermediary complex drives those outrageous salaries Gavin I would be interested to hear your views on the quoted salaries 10 43 am Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27 April 15 March 2 February 23 January 28 2013 257

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Is debate about Britten's boys "censorious hysteria"?
    I read that last sentence With all the participants dead it is impossible to be specific about what happened between Britten and Morris But it doesn t seem unreasonable to suppose that this was an incident where Britten s interest in young and therefore vulnerable boys crossed the line It may be the only time Britten did so it may not be In either event Bridcut s general conclusion about Britten s conduct and proclivities is conclusively undermined There are further stupidities in Britten s Children of which perhaps the most egregious are the many pages Bridcut devotes to Britten s relationship with Wulff Scherchen a young German It s true the pair met in the early 30s when Scherchen was 13 and Britten 20 but their relationship did not begin until 1938 when Scherchen was at Cambridge The relationship was between two young men and quite why Bridcut devotes fifty pages to it in a book called Britten s Children is a mystery Does it matter whether Britten was a paedophile Well evidently yes if anyone suffered from his attentions but even if he was it wouldn t make him a bad composer Wagner isn t a bad composer because he disliked Jews If John Bridcut s letter in this morning s Guardian is anything to go by he is still at the whitewash There was no suggestion of impropriety he writes Perhaps he should re read his own book More on this in Re reading Britten s Children That comment on my post Storm clouds gather over Aldeburgh was added today by Nicholas Simpson and John Bridcut s letter in the Guardian is titled Britten s boys and censorious hysteria When I wrote my original post three weeks ago I observed although I would much prefer to be writing about other things I am reluctantly returning to the subject of Britten I can only echo that sentiment today but I fear that it will be difficult to move on while the pervasive attitude of denial continues Also on Facebook and Twitter Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Posted by Pliable at Monday November 26 2012 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels benjamin britten david hemmings guardian Harry Morris john bridcut Nicholas Simpson wulf scherchen No comments Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January 16 2014 211 December 13 November 23 October 13 September 19 August 17 July 10 June 21 May 27

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  • On An Overgrown Path: Nobody owns a dead composer
    derive is beyond me More apposite though less culturally beguiling would be to posit links between Savile and Gary Glitter as I read in a recent German newspaper We can t go as far as Charles Rosen when he said of Schubert I do not care if he slept with men women or horses You cannot separate a composer s work from their life for better or worse but let s at least set decent parameters for the debate as you had done in your original post That said I can t see how Carpenter or Bridcut s books TV programmes tow any sort of party line regardless of any perceived pressure put on them through Faber and Faber The fact that Carpenter quotes extensively from Mackerras and other corpses is only indicative of its balanced if gossipy approach Will the new biography by Paul Kildea dodge the loyalty truth bullet Or will his former links with Aldeburgh and the Britten Pears Foundation put him out of your running too 1 51 pm Philip Amos said With regard to the tweet about the cupcakes I see that one tweeter in response suggested AH stands for Albert Herring and received 0 marks for that I rather suspect it represents BBC Radio3 Publicity and Classical Music Television for which AH is a code though what it stands for I have no idea There s ownership for you I always enjoy Gavin Plumley s comments but I must differ on this one I fear that the point made originally by Pliable and taken up by Kettle has rather been lost to my dismay The point is in a sense not what Britten did but what he did not And not the truth of the matter in biographies or elsewhere but distortions thereof or outright fabrication for the sake of readership not in the Guardian but in the gutter press blogs with a focus on the salacious twitter FB or any other medium created for the benefit of the barely if at all informed The point made and increasingly lost I think is that knowledgeable people in the classic music world can by discussing the issue openly and frankly NOW and henceforth do much to prevent the matter being grossly misrepresented with attendant accusations of it being covered up as it was in the Savile case That s the nexus Further just as Savile was sanctified in life so has BB been in life and in death though on what basis has long been a mystery to me His brutal cutting of friends who in some cases had served him long and well was more than enough to put me off But the fact that we know boys slept in his bed takes us to the point We may accept on the basis of testimony that there was no sexual contact in that bed but what we may anticipate from the Mirror or the Mail is something along the lines of a header reading

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  • On An Overgrown Path: JSB on LSD
    its esoteric routes I will end by binning the acid and presumptuously misquoting Aldous Huxley as follows Let me advise you if you ever use music in therapy to try the effect of Bach s B minor suite More than anything I believe it will serve to lead the patient s mind wordlessly without any suggestion or covert bullying by doctor or parson to the central primordial Fact the understanding of which is perfect health during the time of the experience and the memory of the understanding of which may serve as an antidote to mental sickness in the future In this crazy world of converging paths it is worth mentioning that I bought the re release of Jordi Savall s Bach Suites for Orchestra at FNAC in Perpignan which is where Pau Casals recorded many of his legendary Bach interpretations Any copyrighted material on these pages is included as fair use for the purpose of study review or critical analysis only and will be removed at the request of copyright owner s Report broken links missing images and errors to overgrownpath at hotmail dot co dot uk Also on Facebook and Twitter Posted by Pliable at Thursday November 22 2012 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Labels Al Hubbard aldous huxley edward elgar Gerald Heard j s bach jordi savall krishnamurti lsd Pablo Casals 4 comments ugoromero said If you don t mind I would like to publish the quote and the phto on my blog on Bach Thank you If you liked Savall s wonderful suites you should try his definitve recording of the musical offer This was a revelation for me 5 02 pm Pliable said My pleasure Hugo please feel free to use as you wish Your comment on Jordi s Musical Offering is appreciated I will look out for it 5 09 pm Pliable said Here is the Spanish version http sdgbach wordpress com 2012 11 23 jlb y el lsd 10 38 pm Lyle Sanford RMT said It s so interesting that in all the LSD studies they pretty much always use music of some kind to catalyze the therapeutic experience If the current trend of allowing these studies to resume continues we might learn a lot about how music interacts with the perceptual emotional and apparently quite often spiritual parts of ourselves I ve also seen several stories reporting Ecstasy can have major and long lasting therapeutic value for post traumatic stress but they don t say whether it s used in a session to trigger something inside the patient or whether it s just taken as a medication 2 25 pm Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to Post Comments Atom Chance headlines Loading Search On An Overgrown Path Loading Blog Archive 2016 19 February 5 January 14 2015 196 December 21 November 9 October 23 September 24 August 13 July 25 June 12 May 12 April 17 March 3 February 21 January

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