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  • Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast
    Perhaps you didn t hear my opening remarks but I stated that The Alien Abduction Files is a departure from my usual nuts and bolts investigative style It is not a repeat of Captured The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience using more recent cases The Alien Abduction Files explores the hearts and minds of several experiencers and gives the reader an understanding of what it is like to live life as an experiencer I discuss the psychology the sociology the characteristics of hypnosis and it s propensity toward confabulation alternative hypotheses etc This is not a book for the nuts and bolts ufologist as the emphasis is upon social science But I suppose that some people will criticize anyone who departs from their own personal belief system If I feared criticism I wouldn t have engaged in UFO and abduction research and investigation at all Feel free to disagree but please don t rush to criticize my work with only a cursory understanding of it or because you don t like my topic Kathleen Marden Ms Marden with all due respect and no offense intended but at the end of the show you were discussing the astral plane astral projection and raising one s vibrations You were discussing it because that s what your abductees told you so therefore it must be right correct You have left science behind and have entered New Age woo hoo land However you can make a u turn and come back I suggest you do so immediately I m sure you are familiar with the phrase cutting off one s nose to spite their face Well I see this happen over and over again with regard to researchers who keep tacking extra things on to the UFO phenomenon So it s not just that we want mainstream science to recognize the reality of UFOs They also must accept the reality of ESP Out of Body Experiences After Life Communications and all the additional stuff people tack on to it All this does is to make sure mainstream science never takes the UFO phenomenon seriously Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Arthur C Clarke So therefore if the following are true then they are a result of technology 1 Alien telepathy technology 2 Alien walking through walls transporting people through solid matter technology 3 Alien UFO invisibility technology 4 Alien mind control warping of human perceptions technology 5 Alien UFO interference with machinery power loss etc technology There s no need to throw Western science as you put it out the window It only appears like magic but it s technology Anytime someone talks about a naturally evolved ability they are unknowingly discussing magic Anytime someone talks about science being wrong not just our current comprehension but science being wrong they are unknowingly discussing magic Because if it does not fall into the category of science then it s by definition supernatural magic Be very cautious of what you abductees tell you

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/may/m31-007.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast
    Subject Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast In addition to what I wrote earlier today I want to add that it is apparent you haven t bothered to read my bibliography for The Alien Abduction Files Had you read it you d have seen my four references for David Jacob s books The bibliography is readily available at Amazon s site As my friend and colleague Stanton Friedman would say

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/may/m31-008.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    conspiracy against the pursuit of truth Let s just address the facts shall we The problem with an argument like this is that in effect it denies the existence of the psychological social political phenomenon of conspiracy theories in other words paranoia based empirically unjustified allegations about public misdeeds and their causes of the sort that been documented all through history or that you can hear from any barstool ranter snip Hi Jerry And the trouble with your argument is that while we ve all heard of paranoid schizos yet they seem very rare in this neck of the woods wonder how many there really are in reality the most paranoid folk around are those with stuff to lose And that s mil sec and politicos Here s a quote I wrote some time ago It seems that if we don t know what a thing is we humans are inclined to make up explanations and believe the worst So obsessive gov t secrecy has bad effects in the citizenry However because politicos judiciary financiers security cops and media are notoriously ignorant of reality the working world how to think constructively and even of real science our rulers get more

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/oct/m01-001.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    significant debris and the hole in the Pentagon does not fit the plane that allegedly hit it This will not be addressed because some point their index uttering the ultimate accusation conspiracy theory ultimately filibustering the debate with two words snip The problem with an argument like this is that in effect it denies the existence of the psychological social political phenomenon of conspiracy theories in other words paranoia based empirically unjustified allegations about public misdeeds and their causes of the sort that been documented all through history or that you can hear from any barstool ranter In this formulation in which ordinary thinking is turned on its head one idea must be judged as good as another The crime is not spreading falsehoods but calling the falsehood spreader by name in this case conspiracy theorist And while you re making that argument call the conspiracy theory nonbeliever a bigot and liken him to a homophobe Next thing you can declare that critics of conspiracy theories are akin to anti Semites and racists In fact something is fundamentally wrong with the argument if you have to resort to such bizarre tropes Yes it is true that for but one example Watergate an abuse of power of historic dimensions occurred No it does not follow that it is equally true that Jews control the world economy that President Eisenhower was a Soviet agent that the U S government is in collusion with evil aliens or that President Obama whose foreign birth sinister conspirators have concealed secretly directs an international jihadist network Or that the last Bush administration was behind 9 11 as our correspondent seems to believe may be the case Again indulging in this sort of unhinged thinking only serves to divert us from the detection of real scandals and abuses which deserve to be exposed and and which do not require us to make fantastic leaps of faith and good sense to credit Conspiracy theorists have the paradoxical function of serving those in power by trivializing issues just as UFO crackpots and extremists have diminished the impact of serious investigators seeking to document genuinely puzzling sightings Reality is complex and confusing but ultimately it does not have the texture or the plot of a cheesy paperback thriller the true home of the conspiracy theory Here s a conspiracy theorist in action http tinyurl com os8z7md It s good necessary to be skeptical about what official authority tells you All of us who were deeply suspicious of what we were told in the lead up to the Iraq War have been fully vindicated It s also wise to be skeptical about what conspiracy theorists peddle There is plenty of high level deception and skulduggery to go around but you re not going to learn about it from Alex Jones the John Birch Society and their frightened faithful There s a reason and not a conspiratorial one as our correspondent implies that conspiracy theories are held in such disrepute One idea

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/oct/m01-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    in other words paranoia based empirically unjustified allegations about public misdeeds and their causes of the sort that been documented all through history or that you can hear from any barstool ranter snip Hi Jerry And the trouble with your argument is that while we ve all heard of paranoid schizos yet they seem very rare in this neck of the woods wonder how many there really are in reality the most paranoid folk around are those with stuff to lose And that s mil sec and politicos Here s a quote I wrote some time ago It seems that if we don t know what a thing is we humans are inclined to make up explanations and believe the worst So obsessive gov t secrecy has bad effects in the citizenry However because politicos judiciary financiers security cops and media are notoriously ignorant of reality the working world how to think constructively and even of real science our rulers get more and more paranoid and therefore even more obsessively secretive That s a vicious circle The backstory to that observation is at www perceptions couk com mil time2 html else and it includes a barstool ranter although he was a bit quieter than that Hi Ray I guess I don t grasp the relevance of this to the point I made which is that 1 real official misconduct occurs and 2 empirically baseless claims grounded only in the paranoid imagination only cloud a real issue Conspiracy theorists by the way now accuse America s leading conspiracy theorist Alex Jones of promoting absurd conspiracy theories in order to the discredit real conspiracy theorists at the behest of even more sinister conspirators whom Jones serves as a paid agent The moral of the story Once you enter the rabbit hole there

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/oct/m02-001.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    to anti Semites and racists In fact something is fundamentally wrong with the argument if you have to resort to such bizarre tropes Yes it is true that for but one example Watergate an abuse of power of historic dimensions occurred No it does not follow that it is equally true that Jews control the world economy that President Eisenhower was a Soviet agent that the U S government is in collusion with evil aliens or that President Obama whose foreign birth sinister conspirators have concealed secretly directs an international jihadist network Or that the last Bush administration was behind 9 11 as our correspondent seems to believe may be the case Again indulging in this sort of unhinged thinking only serves to divert us from the detection of real scandals and abuses which deserve to be exposed and and which do not require us to make fantastic leaps of faith and good sense to credit Conspiracy theorists have the paradoxical function of serving those in power by trivializing issues just as UFO crackpots and extremists have diminished the impact of serious investigators seeking to document genuinely puzzling sightings Reality is complex and confusing but ultimately it does not have the texture or the plot of a cheesy paperback thriller the true home of the conspiracy theory Here s a conspiracy theorist in action http tinyurl com os8z7md It s good necessary to be skeptical about what official authority tells you All of us who were deeply suspicious of what we were told in the lead up to the Iraq War have been fully vindicated It s also wise to be skeptical about what conspiracy theorists peddle There is plenty of high level deception and skulduggery to go around but you re not going to learn about it from Alex Jones the John Birch Society and their frightened faithful There s a reason and not a conspiratorial one as our correspondent implies that conspiracy theories are held in such disrepute One idea is not as good as another In the end facts matter snip You have misread my post I simply point out that conspiracy theory has become an ad hominem attack to prevent any further discussion on delicate subjects It has become a device to end the discussion Antisemitism would be another Racist also Bigot also Not that conspiracy theories antisemitism or racism do not exist it is that their use has been corrupted in some way they have have become tripe I am not saying that they should not be used either but considering their power and their modern distorted usage it becomes necessary to use them wisely and to be prepared to back them up with robust facts In a sense one has to be able to put one s money where one s mouth is Hence one cannot sit there and spit out conspiracy theory and expect to be given a free pass to not further pursue the discussion with facts and keen analysis Buzz words

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/oct/m02-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • 1st UK UFO Truth Magazine Conference 16-11-13
    you haven t been already UFO Truth Magazine UK run by Gary Heseltine are having their first UK UFO Conference on Saturday 16th November 2013 The full details of the line up can be found here http tinyurl com q2fzkqd Just to note I do not represent UFO Truth Magazine in any capacity just thought I would share this event with the List Regards Roy Listen to Strange Days Indeed

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/oct/m02-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    we humans are inclined to make up explanations and believe the worst So obsessive gov t secrecy has bad effects in the citizenry However because politicos judiciary financiers security cops and media are notoriously ignorant of reality the working world how to think constructively and even of real science our rulers get more and more paranoid and therefore even more obsessively secretive That s a vicious circle The backstory to that observation is at www perceptions couk com mil time2 html else and it includes a barstool ranter although he was a bit quieter than that I guess I don t grasp the relevance of this to the point I made which is that 1 real official misconduct occurs and 2 empirically baseless claims grounded only in the paranoid imagination only cloud a real issue snip Hello Jerry You and the rest of us are going round in circles From my last you know I acknowledge the existence of some baseless conspiracy theories often owing their origin to lack of information including the lack of an adequate education which is true even of many scientists as Lee Smolin showed You also know from Vincent s list and my quotes that a great many actual major conspiracies exist and you might also know that basic Bayesian analysis therefore strongly indicates that many more actual major conspiracies are presently unknown to us i e successfully covered up No one has any idea of the ratio of real to unreal conspiracies because the total number of real ones is unknown while the unreal ones are loudly identified and repeatedly trumpeted at by mainstream media I suspect that some or many unreal conspiracy theories are invented by the MSM as yuk yuk stories and or to muddy the waters or poison the well as

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