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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    more time getting the true story in saloons Then again has it occurred to you that barstool ranters may have been placed there by the conspirators to spread disinformation intended to conceal what they re really up to You never know So far in this thread you are the one the only one providing the ranters Since the beginning you have consistently tried to drag down the exchange into personal attacks Ultimately you are now calling all people opposing your biased opinion barstool ranters The barstool ranters has become a mantra in your last posts as the term comspiracy theories has become one in the last years Sorry to bring you the news but repeating things does not make them more true Since the beginning of this thread you have kept away from content mumbling your way through vague theories and muddy ideas that never address the facts the other posters have brought forth The more this goes on the more you look like you re playing this game the kids play where they stick fingers in both their ears and start chanting lalalalala Whatever might you say I wouldn t care less Considering your constant disrecpect towards people not

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    secretly with a common and complex purpose Of course conspiracies don t explain everything in history politics and current affairs there are myriad other factors too numerous to list which have equal or greater explanatory force As I pointed out in an early and copiously ignored post on this thread To dismiss a theory just because it is a conspiracy theory is plain dumb Critical judgement is essential and there are no substitutes for evidence and logical analysis If a theory stands up to such scrutiny then it is worth taking seriously whether it involves an element of conspiracy or not It s worth reiterating the phrase yet again there are no substitutes for evidence and logical analysis If you want a gold standard for what I m talking about check out The JFK Assassination Debates Lone Gunman Versus Conspiracy E2 80 99 by Michael L Kurtz University Press of Kansas Kurtz is an academic historian and his book is rigorous and balanced evidenced and analytical Kurtz s approach to the topic is exemplary Just because some conspiracy theorists are out with the fairies that does not invalidate conspiracy theories per se Equally because some conspiracy theories have powerful explanatory

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  • Taking UFO Phenomena Info To The UN
    are http tinyurl com n8sw4af http tinyurl com n8sw4af http tinyurl com mo9glq2 3 The national movements in several countries for the UFO files openness that were represented by more than 30 ufologists in Washington seeking the same in their countries but Brazil was elected as one in which there will be the next step of this initiative to propose that the discussion of UFO subject go to the UN Look here http tinyurl com n3naohk 4 The world leader of this movement is the ufologist former political activist Stephen Bassett organizer of the Open Public Hearings on Washington He is coming with his team for the 5th World Forum of Ufology in Foz do Igua E7u with all the proposed routing of the UFO issue to the UN Look here http tinyurl com n3naohk Thus during the 5th World Forum of Ufology while our coeditor of Fernando Ramalho presents the magnificent results of the Letter of the Foz do Igua E7u 2012 we will launch the new Letter of Foz do Igua E7u now in 2013 that contain as a central point proposal to bring the world to the UN UFO subject The new Letter of Foz do Igua E7u is signed by all attendees speakers and participants such as the last Letter and Stephen Bassett and the others in the United States as well as the UFO Magazine here in Brazil will forward the new document through the appropriate channels Everyone can participate in this process How Going to 5th World Forum of Ufology and signing a new Letter of Foz do Igua E7u which will propose the issue to the United Nations UN Make your entries here http www ufoz com br site php p 3Dinscricoes inscricao Check out here our team of national speakers http www

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    only one providing the ranters Since the beginning you have consistently tried to drag down the exchange into personal attacks Ultimately you are now calling all people opposing your biased opinion barstool ranters The barstool ranters has become a mantra in your last posts as the term comspiracy theories has become one in the last years Sorry to bring you the news but repeating things does not make them more true Since the beginning of this thread you have kept away from content mumbling your way through vague theories and muddy ideas that never address the facts the other posters have brought forth The more this goes on the more you look like you re playing this game the kids play where they stick fingers in both their ears and start chanting lalalalala Whatever might you say I wouldn t care less Considering your constant disrecpect towards people not sharing your ideas that may be the problem And please don t come up with the ultimate argument I am a published author a famous lecturer I am recognized authority in my field What have you done personally in your life Well Jerry I could only answer this whatever when you go down this road it seems that you re loosing it I think you mean losing it And if you mean interest in this thread you are correct It s odd how when I began this I thought I was defending the sorts of people one of them me who are sympathetically interested in the UFO phenomenon I thought conspiracy theorist as a characterization of the ufologist mindset to be false and unfair Not for some I learn I also learn that conspiracy theorists have no sense of humor but I guess I already had figured that out To repeat

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  • Have We Found A Dyson Sphere?
    radiates mostly in the infra red Well a long time ago Freeman Dyson said that s one way we could detect stars that had been contained for energy use purposes by alien civilizations ScienceWorld Report http tinyurl com le6haz2 Astronomers have discovered a strange free floating planet dubbed PSO J318 5 22 that is 80 light years away from the Earth and has a mass that is six times more than Jupiter The star hosts no stars It came into existence some 12 million years ago which is like a newborn in planet lifetime The astronomers identified the strange lonely planet from its faint and exclusive heat signature as it didn t match the objects surrounding it It was identified with the help of a survey telescope Pan STARRS1 PS1 that is located on Haleakala Maui This is not the first time that astronomers have spotted such free floating objects But it was unclear till date whether these free floating objects were failed stars or orphaned planets But this finding confirms that they are indeed planets The light coming from PSO J318 5 22 is nearly 100 billion times fainter in optical wavelengths compared to the planet Venus Most of the planet s energy is emitted in infrared wavelengths NBCNews reports http en wikipedia org wiki Freeman Dyson Dyson sphere In 1960 Dyson wrote a short paper for the journal Science entitled Search for Artificial Stellar Sources of Infrared Radiation 32 In it he theorized that a technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization might completely surround its native star with artificial structures in order to maximize the capture of the star s available energy Eventually the civilization would completely enclose the star intercepting electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths from visible light downwards and radiating waste heat outwards as infrared radiation Therefore one method

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    used by political scientists and historians to denote a belief formed out of a conjoining of disparate social economic and political phenomena that are not in fact as alleged the creation of a massive secret plot engineered by hidden groups often thought to be linked by ethnicity and or religious belief There is a massive literature on the subject I m not referring to the burblings of conspiracy theorists but rather to those who have methodically examined the phenomenon I ve read a fair amount of that literature over the years and I recommend it to those who might otherwise find themselves tempted to enter the rabbit hole Again This whole thread began when I naively in retrospect complained about the misuse of the phrase to refer to those who merely suspect continuing secrecy surrounding the Roswell incident Conspiracy theorists are so far gone it appears that in common ironically with their most hyperbolic critics they want to claim as conspiracy theorists persons who are merely suspicious of official secrecy and sensitive to officialdom s capacity for wrongdoing whether relatively trivial or out and out calamitous Here in America we re awash in ludicrous conspiracy theories most at the moment from the right The golden age of their far left equivalent was in the late 1960s and early 1970s Many begin with the certainty that President Obama is a foreign born Marxist jihadist socialist terrorist and proceed from there into the really crazy stuff The current crisis in Washington results in part from the acceptance of deranged conspiracy theories about the President In an earlier posting I cited a poll documenting such extremism in the current Tea Party dominated Republican Party For an excellent examination of real conspiracies vs conspiracy theories I recommend again Kathryn S Olmsted s Real Enemies

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    UpDates though I realize from a very small percentage of Listfolk suggests I may have been excessively charitable Your real quarrel is not with me but with historians journalists prosecutors political scientists and others who have rejected conspiracy theories as a useful explanation for political and social phenomena I suggest you take your beliefs to them They can explain to you why Jews Catholics Masons Communists Illuminati and other conspiracy favorites are not in charge of the world As is often said of pornography conspiracy theories are hard to define but one knows one when one sees one Too many moving parts for one with shaky evidence trying to cover for shaky speculations As I ve also noted conspiracy theories amount to the political equivalent of pornography There is a considerable literature written by historians psychologists folklorists journalists and others on conspiracy theory and its pathologies You should read some of that but I know you won t alas I guess you prefer demonology Obviously Jerry has a different definition of conspiracy theorist than I do and that would explain why we are talking past each other For him it is a pejorative term while for me it is nothing more than descriptive So if I believe that there is a group effort to hide certain facts about UFOs from the public then I am a conspiracy theorist and I don t attempt to hide that It seems Jerry would be offended if anyone accused him of the same At this point anybody who has any ideas at all about why things happened on 9 11 is a conspiracy theorist That includes adherents to the officially sanctioned theory since evidence in its favour was never provided I like the approach of Dr Judy Wood who has written a book on

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    0500 Subject Re The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing snip There is a considerable literature written by historians psychologists folklorists journalists and others on conspiracy theory and its pathologies You should read some of that but I know you won t alas I guess you prefer demonology At this point anybody who has any ideas at all about why things happened on 9 11 is a conspiracy theorist That includes adherents

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