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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    10 30 0500 Subject Re The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing snip There is a considerable literature written by historians psychologists folklorists journalists and others on conspiracy theory and its pathologies You should read some of that but I know you won t alas I guess you prefer demonology Enough Jerry Clark I m not the world s best educated person but I don t recall hearing any reasonable explanation as to why WTC building 7 collapsed from any historians psychologists folklorists journalists and others I ve seen news stories of steel frame buildings burn for a couple of days to the point of being completely gutted with the frame still standing Since all of us mature of years know about human nature I haven t heard a reasonable explanation why government and their elite colleagues would not cover up really specific information about UFOs either Historians psychologists folklorists journalists and others haven t shown why they would not cover up either unless I ve missed something which is possible Why would the power elite want to release specific UFO information which might include highly advanced technology What would their motive be for releasing such Eleanor White Listen to Strange Days

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    like the approach of Dr Judy Wood who has written a book on what happened without speculating on the why Her observed anomalies should open the door to a proper forensic analysis which might answer the who and why questions I d like to see a forensic analysis which attempts to look at the how too Even if they can t conclude how a legitimate analysis ruling out all conventional

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/oct/m11-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    As I have stressed in virtually every posting on this subject to no avail clearly real conspiracies exist No one disputes that Why would anybody Not more than a decade ago a conspiracy at the top level of the U S government manipulated a 9 11 traumatized American public into at least a measure of support for a disastrously unnecessary war in the Middle East A conspiracy theory is a different animal the sort of thing the late Richard Hofstadter whose influential essay nobody on this thread has ever acknowledged probably because none has bothered to read it and many political historians since have studied and written about A conspiracy theory is different from a real conspiracy in having too many moving parts along with too many other factual and logical problems to be believable Gerald excuse me for jumping in but Jerry has here given a clear definition of conspiracy theory I had wondered about that in my recent reply to him That is a conspiracy theory as opposed to a real conspiracy has too many moving parts and other factual and logical problems to be believable By this definition the official theory about 9 11 qualifies as a conspiracy theory rather than a real conspiracy Just the facts about the rate of the towers descent and the absence of sufficient debris on the ground are enough to make this distinction Many more physical inconsistencies have been documented Yet people who don t accept the official theory are often painted as unpatriotic addled nincompoops Jerry s definition of the difference between real and non real conspiracy theories seems okay as far as it goes but when people are free to trump physics with their political views when determining the facts then it falls apart That s why I think

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  • The Chainsaw Blues - Cox
    this horrific moment of clarity Not only has he witnessed and inadvertently filmed the breathtaking murder of his hero he understands his life and his family s life will never be the same In the blink of an eye Zapruder has been blasted from anonymity into the glare of multiple law enforcement agencies His phone rings off the hook The media is playing tug of war hardball for exclusive publishing rights Behind closed door a Life magazine editor has an inside track on fee negotiations Anguished guilt addled the Dallas clothing manufacturer rightly insists his first priority is to protect the security of his family whose privacy will be turned inside out through no fault of his own Life would ultimately purchase the images for 150 000 Zapruder would donate 25 000 to the widow of Dallas PD officer J D Tippit slain minutes after Kennedy was gunned down Zapruder would never use the Bell and Howell Zoomatic camera again Nor would the reluctant eyewitness to history keep a copy of the footage that everyone wanted He died in 1970 at 65 Time flies You may have read about the latest Roswell controversy involving two Kodachrome slides rumored to show

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  • Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing
    11 is a conspiracy theorist That includes adherents to the officially sanctioned theory since evidence in its favour was never provided The all purpose site for such http debunking911 com But have been a SM fits but debunking911 com features the use of at least 277 instances where the word conspiracy is used coupled with the same words conspiracy theorists conspiracy theories conspiracy sites conspiracy stories This is quite funny http debunking911 com links htm features a piece title 911 Case Study Pentagon Flight 77 where a 3D animation allegedly explains all the holes in the conspiracy theorists theories about the Pentagon Hilarious to say the least half a dozen electric poles are knocked down and torn apart by the plane s wings the latter remaining pristine all the way to the Pentagon wall where the plane simply vaporizes and disappears Hmm Nevermind that the hole the plane is supposed to produce in the wall does not match the in situ documented observations But the best on this site tells it all http debunking911 com conspiracy htm Titled The Real Conspiracy it starts with What a real conspiracy looks like Real conspiracies have very few players and even then they are usually exposed Enron Watergate Iran Contra and the rest have few people involved and someone always comes out to blow the whistle Two sentences one contradiction usually exposed means in plain English not always and thus there are conspiracies that are never or not yet exposed It is clearly in conflict with the next idea someone always comes to blow the whistle The authors of this website obviously have not visited http en wikipedia org wiki Tuskegee syphilis experiment The Tuskegee syphilis experiment was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U S Public Health

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  • Re: Man Says 1973 UFO Incident Turned Life Upside
    Says 1973 UFO Incident Turned Life Upside Source NewYorkDailyNews Com http tinyurl com kbq39b8 Friday October 11 2013 Man Says 1973 UFO Incident Turned Life Upside Down The Associated Press Calvin Parker Jr has never come to terms with what he still says was a meeting with gray crab clawed creatures on the banks of the Pascagoula River forty years ago Friday snip Hello List Have read several accounts of this event and got the impression that Hickson stayed more or less aware throughout while Parker lost it fairly early on and was still semi hysterical when they got to the police More interesting and maybe an indicator of the attitude of authority to the UFO phenomenon was the fact that the police planted a bug or listening device in the room with Hickson and Parker That sort of invasion of privacy could be justified by police in the case of suspected criminals kidnappers murderers etc on the grounds of public safety Yet these were two ordinary citizens reporting an event which had left them clearly terrified as the police themselves admitted Cheers Ray D Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program

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  • Re: Man Says 1973 UFO Incident Turned Life Upside
    clawed creatures on the banks of the Pascagoula River forty years ago Friday snip Have read several accounts of this event and got the impression that Hickson stayed more or less aware throughout while Parker lost it fairly early on and was still semi hysterical when they got to the police More interesting and maybe an indicator of the attitude of authority to the UFO phenomenon was the fact that the police planted a bug or listening device in the room with Hickson and Parker That sort of invasion of privacy could be justified by police in the case of suspected criminals kidnappers murderers etc on the grounds of public safety Yet these were two ordinary citizens reporting an event which had left them clearly terrified as the police themselves admitted This is an incident that has been investigated and analyzed over the years and I have the original taped interview of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker Jr by the Pascagoula MS Sheriff s Department obtained from Wendy Connors and William Jones and posted on my very outdated web site This particular audio clip should be found here http www konsulting com HIckson Parker 2024 bit WAV There are a

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  • UFO Close Shave
    city in clear conditions when the pilot and co pilot saw an object loom ahead just 330ft 100m away Before they could react the object passed 300ft 90m beneath them but not before they caught a fleeting glimpse of it They said it was blue and yellow or silver in colour with a small frontal area bigger than a balloon Air traffic control saw nothing on radar but radar at Prestwick did spot an unidentified track history 1 3 nautical miles to the east of airbus s position 28 seconds earlier Anecdotal evidence suggests aircrew have been reluctant to file air miss reports but in this case the pilot did because he believed the risk of a collison was high This was fortunate because in the absence of any MoD interest in UFO reports the CAA s Airprox Board is the only remaining official body in the UK with a remit to conduct detailed investigations of puzzling incidents like this one albeit purely with a safety remit They checked and eliminated all the likely candidates for the identify of the untraced aircraft including small fixed wing aircraft hot air balloons and gliders or paramotors These and meteorological balloons were all

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