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  • Serious-ly - Cox On The Corpse
    Alien Autopsy hoax too long and depressing to revisit here De Void broke out in hives earlier this year when Ambassador to the Universe guru Steven Greer started pounding the publicity drums for an upcoming documentary featuring a portentious Fudgsicle sized cadaver with a space alien looking head Trailers clearly led viewers to conclude the creature was Not Of This Earth but I m thinking Oh no no no no Go find another fool Not me jack Not this time But the other day shortly after its Monday premiere in Los Angeles and before it was yanked off the Internet De Void managed to catch Greer s film Sirius and it s the damnedest thing I ve ever seen The corpse that is And I wouldn t have put any stock in the results had two Stanford researchers Dr Garry Nolan and Dr Ralph Lachmann not signed off on it The little bugger apparently has human DNA and it s not a fetus But it has only 10 ribs where the invariable human standard is 12 Most interestingly writes Lachmann whose resume includes UCLA School of Medicine professor emeritus and radiological clinical investigator for the Cedars Sinai Medical Center Genetics

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m26-004.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists
    the sound of it A word of advice Ed Don t hold your breath waiting for recognition and vindication The consequences for your health would not be good and nobody here wishes you ill snip Personally I harbor a deep skepticism of conspiracy theories Nor do I believe you re a world historical figure But again you have every right to your own assessment of yourself As far as I can tell you ve rejected my hypothesis without examining my evidence Cant wearing skeptical britches A flat earther once told me the same actually I don t know your position on the shape of the earth but I do recognize a cra er independent thinker when I see one As I ve noted in this space on earlier occasions you re a graduate of the same class that s given us lost continents such as Mu and Atlantis the Shaver mystery the hollow earth Mount Shasta lore hidden races of all descriptions and much more I once wrote a book on the subject Hidden Realms 2010 so I suppose I know a little more about this than most From that knowledge base alas I can only conclude that as an independent thinker you re not much of a thinker and you certainly aren t an independent one Then again there s a way you can show how grievously wrong I am in that assessment Let s put it this way if you were actually serious you wouldn t be trying to force feed your evidence to Jerry Clark and fellow ufologists anomalists powerless fringe figures but to the mainstream physical scientists evolutionary biologists historians archaeologists and anthropologists of the world Surely they will need to know that nearly everything they ve judged to be true is wrong I m sure

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m26-005.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists
    be considered and established why not make a slightly bigger effort and consider the additional possibility of creating a committee for UFO research which we have long expected Sure that s what we need another committee to study the possibility that there are possibilities I don t consider that progress And how can my opinion spoil anything If Brazil wanted to be honest about the UFO situation they could easily open their files and allow investigators to examine them It s clear that this isn t going to happen I have to ask who you would like to see as members of the committee for UFO research which we have long expected Sounds a lot like the Center for UFO Studies but obviously that historical organization isn t reaching your expectations in having an impact Or perhaps it has more to do with the lack of support you re finding for your theories from those organizations that currently exist It might surprise you that I d also like to see an organization of researchers and scientists review ufological claims and theories supporting those that are scientifically sound and publicly reject those that are not This should be enhanced by creating a Hall of Shame to identify those who have proven their lack of worth in this genre This has been discussed in the past but there s little support for wasting time chasing down foolish claims and proving them wrong Ufology has long been a large tent that anything paranormal somehow becomes a part of and with the Internet that has become even more of a problem IMO Reality UFO programs and Documentaries that are more entertainment than science are another part of the problem this genre faces again IMO There are many interesting anomalies worth investigating in this world

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m27-001.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists
    every time any progress is being made someone comes out of the woods to try to spoil it Gildas List Since such a channel is about to be considered and established why not make a slightly bigger effort and consider the additional possibility of creating a committee for UFO research which we have long expected Sure that s what we need another committee to study the possibility that there are possibilities I don t consider that progress And how can my opinion spoil anything If Brazil wanted to be honest about the UFO situation they could easily open their files and allow investigators to examine them It s clear that this isn t going to happen Edward I seem to be ignorant about the situation We are not opening a committee to study the possibility that there are possibilities as you suggest We are approaching the military in a solid frank manner and it will result in major understanding of how the UFO Phenomena is dealt by them And of course will also result in giving us access to resources to better investigate the UFO Phenomena as a whole Your other remark If Brazil wanted to be honest is simply

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m27-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists
    into the mix tells us that even you have a pretty good understanding of how much weight your evidence carries By which of course I mean how little Jerry You don t have the slightest notion of what my evidence carries You ve never studied it Being an orderly and working in the ERs and surgeries of several large hospitals in Albuquerque and San Francisco during the late 1950s gave me an advantage when the Alien Autopsy footage was shown on Fox TV It immediately caught my attention because of the authenticity of the surgical instruments and the body language of the surgeons and the surgical nurse I decided to investigate it further Those investigations eventually led to the monotreme hypothesis I m a nobody a special education teacher for thirty five years In 1989 I began writing a few short essays on environmental matters but I ve never written a book nor had any desire to be a superstar Until the AA came into my life I had only a minor interest in UFO matters For the last eighteen years I and a few other researchers have been collecting all information pertaining to the nature of the AA Our most important discoveries were finding the crash site in Socorro the cameraman described and to which he gave directions and the discovery of the Roswell crash site I think this information is important to the understanding of UFO phenomena but I realize that not many agree It hasn t been easy trying to discuss a subject that everyone knows is a hoax I ve focused on you because as I wrote you many years ago if I can convince you to take another look I can convince anyone Besides I can always count on you to respond Is there something

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m27-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists
    environmental matters but I ve never written a book nor had any desire to be a superstar Until the AA came into my life I had only a minor interest in UFO matters For the last eighteen years I and a few other researchers have been collecting all information pertaining to the nature of the AA Our most important discoveries were finding the crash site in Socorro the cameraman described and to which he gave directions and the discovery of the Roswell crash site I think this information is important to the understanding of UFO phenomena but I realize that not many agree It hasn t been easy trying to discuss a subject that everyone knows is a hoax I ve focused on you because as I wrote you many years ago if I can convince you to take another look I can convince anyone Besides I can always count on you to respond Is there something wrong with that strategy But so far I haven t been very successful Not only have you refused to examine our evidence but your demeaning tone has influenced others to ignore it as well But there s always a hope for redemption so I ll try again What are the problems with this evidence Ed You ve been on that bandwagon a long time and your evidence hasn t had much impact on those who HAVE examined it But that s not the point You ve been advised here and elsewhere to publish your evidence and use the appropriate forums to prove your case You have to prove it and not simply toss out allegations and hope everyone will suddenly see the light and rush out to investigate from your perspective But when rejected you fault others for just not paying attention and

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m28-001.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists
    important discoveries were finding the crash site in Socorro the cameraman described and to which he gave directions and the discovery of the Roswell crash site I think this information is important to the understanding of UFO phenomena but I realize that not many agree It hasn t been easy trying to discuss a subject that everyone knows is a hoax I ve focused on you because as I wrote you many years ago if I can convince you to take another look I can convince anyone Besides I can always count on you to respond Is there something wrong with that strategy But so far I haven t been very successful Not only have you refused to examine our evidence but your demeaning tone has influenced others to ignore it as well But there s always a hope for redemption so I ll try again What are the problems with this evidence You ll believe what you want to believe Ed and find compelling evidence that the rest of us will judge otherwise for reasons blazingly apparent to us but never to you I saw enough of your evidence for me to recognize you as just another guy among many who believe they have upended fundamental well established human knowledge and thus are world historical figures even if unrecognized as such by all but themselves One I know particularly well is a guy who believes he has conclusively disproved Einstein and most of modern physics Like you A knows he s right Like you he has no training in the requisite disciplines no affiliation with a recognized professional organization or institution no publication record in peer reviewed journals not even a knowledge of higher mathematics the lingua franca of modern physics Unlike you A makes a genuine effort to bring his world shaking discoveries to the attention of working scientists including genuinely world class ones Suffice it to say they are as unreceptive to his brilliant insights as I am to yours Not to compare myself to a world class scientist naturally but I am decently read in particularly history and have a pretty clear idea why your chances of being right are nonexistent I m sure you are a good human being Ed and sane in all aspects of your life except this one in which you are the living definition of a crank You are not going to overthrow centuries of accumulated knowledge in physical science evolutionary biology history anthropology and archaeology and I am not going to waste my time pretending that you may have done so and thus I owe you my concentrated attention In my long life on this side of the fringe I ve encountered all kinds of obsessives with all kinds of extraordinarily fantastic ideas and evidence to match nearly all of them in conflict with one another and I m sorry to say you re no different from any of them I suppose I should be flattered that you feel that

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/apr/m28-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Moderator Message
    the banning of further discussion of the Alien Autopsy until new evidence surfaces Edward Gherman appears unable to respect the ban Consequently Ed s subscription to this List is suspended for a month and the AA ban remains in place Errol Bruce Knapp Moderator UFO UpDates Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program These contents above are copyright of the author and

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