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  • Re: Oz-Factor
    I would have credited you with Of course you will continue your discourse with those who know as little of the phenomenon s dynamics as you do Jerry After reading the latest UFO debates on such issues I am starting to feel that I live in a non real world It s all made up of imaginary factors and circumstances or so we are led to believe and nothing humans witness is real What is your view on ancient shamanic Cultures Is there Any evidence that they have had any impact on such debates Such as this one i e Psychological Effects of Adrenaline Or is this a non starter in this area of research Hi Roy I have nothing to say about ancient shamanic cultures knowing little of consequence about the subject Oz phenomena however are deeply anomalous not imaginary in the ordinarily understood sense of the term They seem to be triggered by the intersection of consciousness and some unknown something about which we know practically nothing except that it is occasionally accessible and experienceable in certain ways These phenomena occur in a liminal space where the ritual human explanatory responses literalism on one hand denialism on the other beg too many questions to be useful The Oz encounter it should be stressed is an experience phenomenon not an event phenomenon The introductory essay to my book Unexplained 2012 outlines the distinction between event anomalies e g in ufology radar visuals and CE2s and experience anomalies vivid highly strange unprovable The debate about anomalous phenomena stalled long ago because both sides the proponents and the debunkers have been absolute in their insistence upon familiar frames of reference basically real and not real which manifestly do not apply It is well past time in short that we acknowledge that

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m01-007.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    0700 PDT Subject Re Physiological Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline From Joe McGonagle joe mcgonagle nul To post nul Date Mon 29 Jul 2013 17 03 31 0100 Subject Re Physiological Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline snip Joe But seriously it is fascinating Jerome Clark just keeps shelving you and this is entertaining for the rest of us but does it not kind of get to you that your arguments creak so loudly If you were to be a bit more subtle about how you entertain concepts this would be a winning approach You mean like Jerry the Guru He keeps telling me my library isn t as big as his and I have to go to counselling sessions to cope with library envy now I don t recall telling McG that my library is bigger than his I confess however that I have the impression though again I don t remember saying as much here till now I ve certainly thought it privately that he s not terribly conversant in the relevant literature Which of course would explain why he keeps getting himself into such trouble when he emerges to deliver his oracular pronouncements Jerry the Guru is the sort of

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m01-008.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    nul Date Thu 1 Aug 2013 13 33 33 0100 Subject Re Physiological Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline snip It would clarify matters if you would let us know whether you believe that the way the mind works is the primary explanatory factor in all sightings of anomalous aerial phenomena At least we would then know where you are coming from If your answer is not in every case you might also let us know whether think that some objective triggers might be genuinely anomalous or merely mistaken attributions arising from explicable man made or natural phenomena If you can t answer these questions then you can t be taken seriously Gerald Can the mind project a UFO on to a camcorder video to be filmed I feel we are getting bogged down in mind games here Let me state one thing quite clearly UFOs exist on film therefore the chances they have been seen by thousands Of people throughout the world is pretty part of the course If we can agree on that then perhaps the all in the Mind debate can be seen for what it is Roy Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m01-009.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    I can only go by experience and my own reactions to a sighting That s exactly what I am saying that the way the mind works needs to be considered when dealing with witness accounts That s not what comes across Joe What comes across is an unwillingness to address the the issue of cause and effect in any kind of rigorous or systematic way It seems that you are not at all interested in considering whether the way the mind works can be the result of external objective triggers some of which might lay outside conventional explanation In a sense it doesn t matter if the trigger is anomalous or not it is the witness s perception that it is something they haven t encountered before so to them it is anomalous whether it is a lantern or a 12 stone baby Instead of taking any kind of systematic approach to things you come across as as a rather clumsy sceptical spin doctor making reference to anecdotal evidence that demonstrates to your mind that ordinary folk see Chinese lanterns and have pseudo spiritual experiences as a consequence The implication seems to be that we can generalise from this to a pervasive unreliability of witness reports together with an underlying view to the effect that it s all in the mind I m surprised you read it that way it is a factor which should be considered when evaluating witness reports that is all I have said it is something that they have no control over and usually little or no awareness of It would clarify matters if you would let us know whether you believe that the way the mind works is the primary explanatory factor in all sightings of anomalous aerial phenomena At least we would then know

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m02-001.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: A Journey Through The Past - Cox
    Meier beamship photo I Want To Believe What the f is wrong with people They ll believe anything Well you know what Wanting to believe is a lot different from wanting to understand Two completely different things And as an extreme experiencer who s also a skeptic there s no way I can win I ll never win this one Never ever This is an excerpt from a recent chat with David Biedny the former co host of The Paracast a weekly webcast promoting discussions on various aspects of the paranormal More at site Some UFO UpDates Listers may need to be reminded that one cannot always believe what Billy Cox proclaims In this case he implied that the various Billy Meier beamship photos that became X file posters stamped I Want To Believe had been hoaxes of some kind Gaining an understanding of what s real and what s not can require honest and comprehensive investigation by initially unbiased investigators This is just what the Meier case has received over the past 35 years from Wendelle Stevens Lee and Brit Elders Guido Moosbrugger Gary Kinder Michael Hesemann Jaime Maussan and Michael Horn They found no way the case could be a hoax However those who want to believe the pro hoax conclusions of Kal Korff are free to do so But I would urge they look into the history of the Billy Meier debunkings starting in 1977 ebk permitting see http www tjresearch info Review Clark htm where one will find that the reason for debunking was often of the nature too good to be true or too incredible relative to 20th century science or too unique and different or too politically incorrect Billy Cox s feelings appear to lie in the latter category Jim Deardorff Anyone who wants

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m02-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • UFO Intelligence Leaks? Tough Road For US
    admonish someone who is passing along information that the same government denies UFO Nukes researcher and author Robert Hastings is putting the odd puzzle together according to a July 30 2013 press release issued from his website Hastings research goes back to 1973 when he began interviewing former U S military personnel about UFO activity In 1982 he went on the college circuit to reveal his findings He now understands

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m02-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Let's Just Stick To The Theories - Cox
    from Cape Canaveral on Sept 5 1977 its primary mission was to explore the solar system but the extras were what engaged the public imagination In a utopian anticipation of its discovery by extraterrestrial intelligence somewhere Out There the NASA probe and its Voyager 2 twin was fitted with a gold plated disc featuring samples of 115 languages music photos and the natural sounds of life on Earth Both spacecraft flashed past Pluto way back in 1990 and scientists are debating whether or not the vehicles have actually departed our solar system Either way nearly 36 years later at more than 18 billion kilometers from Earth Voyager 1 is the farthest flung hardware our species has ever created Three years after the Voyagers left home nanotechnologist Robert Freitas leaped many generations ahead and co authored a NASA feasibility study on self replicating probes SRPs He contemplated what it would take for advanced space faring technology not only to repair and perpetuate itself during missions but also to improvise on destination targeting as it forged the cosmic oceans Among the motivations for this exercise was a theoretical test of the Fermi Paradox in which physicist Enrico Fermi alleged in 1950 that

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/aug/m02-004.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • UFO Today - Articles & Features
    to look at any and all aspects of the UFO subject and related subjects If you would like to contribute in any way please simply drop me an email at philip mantle nul More information available at http richarddolanpress com once upon a missing time http www youtube com watch v Tc00LK8UAV4 feature share Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program These

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