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  • Re: Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist?
    read it back in the early 90s but I guess the fear factor prevented me So I m reading it now and the newer editions have an intro by the current high priest of the Church of Satan Peter Gilmore In the intro Gilmore states that Ufologist Jacques Vallee was a close associate of LaVey So is Vallee a Satanist Jason This is to put it mildly an unwarranted and irresponsible accusation I m shocked to see it here What accusation would that be I asked a question LaVey from all accounts a great character and an urbane sophisticated man knew a great many people My late friend the sociologist of science Marcello Truzzi considered him a good friend No Marcello was not a Satanist As an agnostic he did not even accept the existence of the devil Moreover LaVey s variety of Satanism focused on a material view of life and an enjoyment of its pleasures It was not about the sort of lurid nonsense of cheezy horror movies and paperback thrillers I don t need a schooling on LaVeyian Satanism I am much aware that LaVey was an atheist and hedonist I posted this question on the Paracast

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  • Re: Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist?
    of Satan by Anton LaVey on April 30 1966 It originated from an attempt to create a carnal religion consciously opposed to the spiritual nature of most other existing religions which melded elements of Western ceremonial magic and occultism with various materialistic philosophies under the aegis of the archetype of Satan the symbol of the one who opposes and questions the status quo The church advocates a philosophy of individual pragmatism and hedonism rather than emphasizing the worship of Satan It promotes the development of strong individuals who seek gratification out of life and who practice the selfish virtues as long as they do not harm others By the way I doubt that Vallee s relationship with LaVey had anything to do with his silly conspiracy theory book Messengers of Deception Vallee has written some good and important books Messengers is not one of them As an intellectual Vallee has a wide range of interests one of them occultism LaVey is someone he would be expected to encounter As noted LaVey had many friends few of whom would identify themselves as Satanists even by his anodyne definition Hi List To cut short to any babbling I suggest to those interested

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  • Re: Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist?
    Satanist From Jerome Clark jkclark nul To post nul Date Mon 19 Aug 2013 07 58 22 0500 Subject Re Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist From Jason Gammon boyinthemachine nul To post nul Date Sun 18 Aug 2013 12 06 56 0400 EDT Subject Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist I m just now reading The Satanic Bible I wanted to read it back in the early 90s but I guess the fear factor prevented me So I m reading it now and the newer editions have an intro by the current high priest of the Church of Satan Peter Gilmore In the intro Gilmore states that Ufologist Jacques Vallee was a close associate of LaVey So is Vallee a Satanist Jason This is to put it mildly an unwarranted and irresponsible accusation I m shocked to see it here What accusation would that be I asked a question The reality is this Overwhelmingly people would not want to figure in a sentence that reads Is a Satanist Whatever your intention few would fail to read your question as a form of accusation You would have been better off to ask something like What is Vallee s relationship to Anton LaVey

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  • Re: Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist?
    Date Mon 19 Aug 2013 20 23 22 0200 Subject Re Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist From Jerome Clark jkclark nul To post nul Date Mon 19 Aug 2013 09 56 10 0500 Subject Re Is Jacques Vallee A Satanist To cut short to any babbling I suggest to those interested in that topic to resort to Vallee s own version of his keen interest would I venture to say fascination in LaVey They will find them exposed at length on pages 10 52 83 91 92 102 123 128 134 138 139 144 147 188 189 206 280 318 332 337 355 367 of his Forbidden Science Volume Two Journals 1970 1979 Never better reference than the source And on the subject of babbling You ve told us what we already know that Vallee was interested in LaVey Thanks a whole lot For those of us who don t own the Vallee volume all but the tiniest handful of Listfolk whose index you unhelpfully cite I guess your view is 1 they re out of luck and 2 you re so much smarter than the rest of us Cheers Jerry Clark Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At

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  • Vortex Conference Wisconsin, Oct. 25 - 27
    2013 The price went down because the speakers are more local than before Also the lectures are clustered by subject with UFOs on Saturday the 26th which is the busiest day Organizer Mary Sutherland says she is still working on the schedule and that press passes are available for media wanting to cover the event For details http www burlingtonnews net conference Rich Heiden Listen to Strange Days Indeed The

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  • 'Let's Have A Ball And A Biscuit, Sugah!' - Cox
    De Void for a massive heartbreaking disappointment last Friday LAS VEGAS AP UFO buffs and believers in space aliens are celebrating the CIA s clearest acknowledgement yet of the existence of Area 51 the top secret Cold War test site that has been the subject of elaborate conspiracy theories for decades In the next graph Dreier informs us that the recently declassified documents have set the tinfoil hat contingent abuzz on the Internet though there s no mention in the papers of UFO crashes black eyed extraterrestrials or staged moon landings As a reporter in the very next graph I expect to read all about the celebrations by all these buffs and believers in space aliens I mean put me there right Put me right smack dab in the middle of the glory hole because my mind s eye is spinning with possibilities Like are we talking about urbane high fiving shaken not stirred I told you so yuppies flooding Times Square Or something more ribald like the glass tossing swashbucklers in the Captain Morgan Rum White Stripes commercial Or were the celebrations given the lack of black eyed aliens and fake moon landings jovial in a muted sorta way

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  • Ufologists - Don't Censor 'Ridiculous' Details
    Ufologists Don t Censor Ridiculous Details Hello List Just read an opinion of John Keel s Ironically the UFO organizations have themselves suppressed and censored more UFO reports than the Air Force and he exampled the NICAP suppression of the full report of Betty Barney Hill s experiences later revealed by John Fuller p 262 Trojan Horse I think that s to be expected folk who set themselves up as experts or authorities in any area tend to be judgemental and not a little opinionated often with strong biases as to what is rational or reasonable However Keel and separately Vallee et al have several times commented that it s mostly the unreasonable and ridiculous attributes of the phenomenon which end up making coherent patterns not the myriad prosaic details of events N B Although we have experts in branches of science pertaining to sightings optics nuclear physics etc and as I m forced to tell the occasional media quote seeker There are no human experts on UFOs or their technology a fact which should be obvious Cheers Ray D Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program These contents above are copyright

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  • Re: Ufologists - Don't Censor 'Ridiculous' Details
    opinion of John Keel s Ironically the UFO organizations have themselves suppressed and censored more UFO reports than the Air Force and he exampled the NICAP suppression of the full report of Betty Barney Hill s experiences later revealed by John Fuller p 262 Trojan Horse On the subject of John Keel s claims to credibility regarding UFOs ufology and ufologists I urge Listfolk to read my The Coming Of

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