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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    usurers aren t working or competing they tend to become ugly and incompetent eventually unmarriageable and the line goes extinct I e sins decrease our species chances of survival especially in times of genetic bottle neck So if an AI is actually intelligent and not merely following a program algorithm it will have its own definition of morals based on its own evolutionary imperatives which are almost certainly going to clash with ours Second as Penrose has pretty firmly concluded in Emperors New Mind Road to Reality conscious intelligence looks likely to depend on a non algorithmic and indeed non computable ability which might only belong to organic brains He speculates it might be a quantum attribute So the successful AI might have to have an organic neural network brain which brings us back to its evolutionary imperatives and hence its unknown to us morals and motives There s certainly an interesting debate to be had about realism vs anti realism in ethics although it s not the sort of debate that can be settled easily see e g http plato stanford edu entries moral realism Given the complexity of the debate I would urge epistemic caution in making sweeping far reaching claims about the nature of ethics For instance the argument presented above is rather fast and loose It might be true that evolutionary forces have shaped human psychology such that ethical behaviour is brought about but that doesn t support anti realism about ethics Evolutionary forces have shaped the visual system but that doesn t mean light isn t real Moreover it is notoriously difficult to establish an evolutionary hypothesis for the genesis of this or that specific trait just so stories are easy to tell but they should be treated with caution see Gould and Lewontin s

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  • UFO? Strange Lights In Cardwell Video
    t flash he said Cardwell resident Phil Mulley and his wife Helen saw the lights on two consecutive nights The first night there was just one light and it was very bright It was about 7 30pm We thought it was a chopper coming up the channel It was travelling at about 45 degrees to the horizon We watched it for a few minutes and then it disappeared in cloud The next night my sister rang me and said to look outside I went and looked and there were two lights We watched them for a while until they disappeared in cloud he said Mr Mulley said he knew of at least six or seven people who saw the lights The lights were bright orange and there was no sound whatsoever he said President of UFO Research Queensland Sheryl Gottschall said she could not say what the lights were but added she had no qualms in saying there were extraterrestrials which visited earth from time to time I ve been with this organisation for 25 years and in that time I ve spoken to 3000 people who have seen strange lights and objects and to another 600 to 700 who have had close encounters she said She said two brothers fishing in the Hinchinbrook Channel in 1995 contacted her to report a sighting of six UFOs in the Fishers Creek area south of Cardwell Hinchinbrook region UFO sightings The recent sightings have not been the first glimpses of UFO activity near Cardwell reported to the President of UFO Research Queensland Sheryl Gottschall In 1995 two brothers contacted her to report a sighting of six UFOs in the Fishers Creek area south of Cardwell This is an edited version of the report sent to her from the brothers On May 13

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    raising machines in human families Hi Jason The human concepts of rebellion and cooperation would likely be meaningless to an AI which will have its own concepts that we cannot recognize and probably won t like Whatever it s concept would be it would be interpreted the same by humans So assuming you are correct that it would have it s unique concept of rebellion or cooperation it would still translate to us as being that which we are familiar with It s because the mode of communication is behavior For example when we see a dog eyeing an unattended plate at a picnic we don t have to call the pet psychic to understand it s thoughts We know from it s behavior what it s course of action will be if we don t quickly act to stop it Now just like with humans it will likely quickly learn deception Lying is a game changer and once it learns to lie then of course it could hide it s motivations from us snip Penrose is a brilliant mind However he is one man Human beings have a very long history of denying intelligence or even souls to fellow human beings The argument that machines could never become intelligent fits well into this human pattern of behavior You may be interested in the following Quantum Computers http en wikipedia org wiki Quantum computer That s putting a computer circuit of qubits into a quantum state to allow multiple calculations to be carried out simultaneously But they are still calculations i e algorithms Many scientists Penrose included say that merely enacting algorithms probably can t give intelligent thought Refs Contra AI Scientists who say that enacting algorithms probably cannot give intelligent thought see Searle s Chinese Room http en wikipedia

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    that the humans in the argument are intelligent The argument also does not take into Well with that one sentence this entire thread is trivialized Unfortunately Jason has put his finger on a fundamental problem There have always only been operational definitions intelligence is what intelligence tests measure Such definitions don t help much to understand the putative goal of autonomous machines Our operational definitions of intelligence can only arise

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    view reflected I think in actual history and pre history and anthropology biology generally maybe even extending beyond the Earth life we know That view is known as the Altruist Survivor principle or hypothesis Here s the Google search result for info discussions and criticisms of the principle http tinyurl com a3czhqt That A S principle or viewpoint has also enabled although rather obliquely as you might see in the footnotes some cursory analyses of rather deep scientific questions about the universe shown in this collection of notes and science quotes about universal origins http tinyurl com a3cl92q as you might see a corollary is that popular theories on almost any subject tend to be those which seem to support or excuse what we might call selfish behaviour and short term advantage to power groups who tend to control academia media etc however the long view as shown in the footnotes always eventually shows those popular theories to be completely wrong Unfortunately we never seem to learn from history And that brings us back to the vexed question of the possible dangers of AIs as slaves that might either rebel or more likely in my opinion simply make their human masters irrelevant A possible historical precedent is that of the Spartans apparently very successful at war and conquest and their Helot slaves The Helots eventually mated with the wives of the Spartans who were often away fighting and conquering and whose tastes anyway rather inclined to homosexual pedophilia maybe read Xenophon s Anabasis Retreat of the Ten Thousand or The March Up country http tinyurl com ahw52a7 which is impartial on the subject of Sparta Xenophon was an Athenian but was well travelled and had fought alongside Spartans in various campaigns and also traded with them So although the history

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  • 100 Billion Alien Planets
    shuttle facilities The Kepler 32 planets orbit an M dwarf a type of star that is smaller and cooler than our sun M dwarfs are the most common star in the Milky Way accouting for about 75 percent of the galaxy s 100 billion or so stars researchers said Further the five Kepler 32 worlds are similar in size to Earth and orbit quite close to their parent star making them typical of the planets Kepler has spotted around other M dwarfs So the Kepler 32 system should be representative of many of the galaxy s planets scientists said I usually try not to call things Rosetta stones but this is as close to a Rosetta stone as anything I ve seen said co author John Johnson also of Caltech It s like unlocking a language that we re trying to understand E2 80 94 the language of planet formation Kepler can detect planetary systems only if they re oriented edge on to the telescope otherwise the instrument won t observe any star dimming planetary transits So the researchers calculated the odds that an M dwarf system in the Milky Way would have this orientation then combined that with the number of such systems Kepler is able to detect to come up with their estimate of 100 billion exoplanets The team considered only planets orbiting other types of stars So the galaxy may actually harbor many more planets than the conservative estimate implies E2 80 94 perhaps 200 billion or about two per star Swift said The new analysis confirms three of the five Kepler 32 planets the other two had been confirmed previously The Kepler 32 worlds have diameters ranging from 0 8 to 2 7 times that of Earth and all of them orbit within 10 million miles

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    only arise from human expectations about human behaviour How would we even know when a machine is intelligent much less when it becomes super intelligent It would be like trying to understand the intelligence of a tree William I had to flip it on Ray to show how bad the Chinese Argument is Well not bad exactly It s a brilliant trap I say we should rename it the Chinese Finger Trap instead as it assumes humans are intelligent and makes no distinction between conscious and unconscious intelligence So we are better off just ignoring the argument altogether The good news is that we don t have to understand something in order to exploit it For example we don t fully understand gravity but we each exploit it every single day The key is behavior We will know A I is intelligent when it behaves in a manner in which we interpret as intelligence We will likewise know A I has advanced to a state beyond human intelligence when humans can no longer compete with it This process won t occur all at once but will continue as it is now doing with various fields that were formerly dominated by human now being replaced with machines Eventually a time will come when human are no longer proficient in creating computers So from that time onward machines will be in control of the creation of new and better computers Same thing goes with computer programmers In the future there won t be any human computer programmers Machines will be far superior in designing new computer programming I don t think people quite understand this It s not a matter of cost or anything like that It s a matter of the human mind not being able to keep up with technology

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    understand something in order to exploit it For example we don t fully understand gravity but we each exploit it every single day This is a poor analogy since the effect of gravity is simple unvarying and certainly not intelligent so that it can be unpredictable as you use it The key is behavior We will know A I is intelligent when it behaves in a manner in which we interpret as intelligence We Psychologists tried to develop stimulus response theories about human behavior and ran up against a wall They had to resort to black boxes in between containing mechanisms needed to adequately explain the behavior such as instincts drives ethics etc We will have to do the same with future evolving automatons so we will end up interpreting their behavior in terms of our own Because we will not really understand what motivates their behavior we could easily conclude that they are psychotic and react defensively Interpreting super AI behavior correctly will be a big problem because it will be alien to us will likewise know A I has advanced to a state beyond human intelligence when humans can no longer compete with it This process won t occur all at once but will continue as it is now doing with various fields that were formerly dominated by human now being replaced with machines Eventually a time will come when human are no longer proficient in creating computers So from that time onward machines will be in control of the creation of new and better computers Same thing goes with computer programmers In the future there won t be any human computer programmers Machines will be far superior in designing new computer programming I don t think people quite understand this It s not a matter of cost

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