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  • UFOs Hovered Over Fiorentina's Stadio
    27 October 1954 A reserve game between Fiorentina and nearby rivals Pistoiese is under way at the Stadio Artemio Franchi A crowd of around 10 000 has gathered to watch Among them is Gigi Boni second left in the picture a lifelong Fiorentina fan who in later years would become the co ordinator of the club s supporters group Now in his eighties Boni still has vivid memories of watching

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m05-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    http en wikipedia org wiki Chinese room and Einstein s Brain http tinyurl com ak5ogg8 served as useful examples of the extremes of both pro and contra arguments And for John s view having done a lot of research in the last couple of decades have been led to a fairly strong evolutionary view reflected I think in actual history and pre history and anthropology biology generally maybe even extending beyond the Earth life we know That view is known as the Altruist Survivor principle or hypothesis snip Again merely pointing to an evolutionary explanation for why human beings act morally does not count against the claim there are moral facts any more than merely pointing to an evolutionary explanation for why human beings have eyes and visual experiences would count against the claim there are light facts That doesn t settle the realism anti realism debate in ethics of course but even anti realists about ethics acknowledge that the default position is realism http plato stanford edu entries moral realism i e anti realists face the burden of argument and we can assume moral realism is true until it is proven otherwise That isn t to say that it

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m05-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    t have to understand something in order to exploit it For example we don t fully understand gravity but we each exploit it every single day This is a poor analogy since the effect of gravity is simple unvarying and certainly not intelligent so that it can be unpredictable as you use it Then how about this Peter Cochrane in the video below uses the example of aerodynamics http www youtube com watch v puis1LSWeuQ The key is behavior We will know A I is intelligent when it behaves in a manner in which we interpret as intelligence We Psychologists tried to develop stimulus response theories about human behavior and ran up against a wall They had to resort to black boxes in between containing mechanisms needed to adequately explain the behavior such as instincts drives ethics etc We will have to do the same with future evolving automatons so we will end up interpreting their behavior in terms of our own Because we will not really understand what motivates their behavior we could easily conclude that they are psychotic and react defensively Interpreting super AI behavior correctly will be a big problem because it will be alien to us I understand what you are tryig to communicate but I do not share your pessimism I do believe that hostile A I behavior would be interpreted as being hostile by humans Likewise I believe cooperative friendly behavior would be interpreted the same will likewise know A I has advanced to a state beyond human intelligence when humans can no longer compete with it This process won t occur all at once but will continue as it is now doing with various fields that were formerly dominated by human now being replaced with machines Eventually a time will come when human are no longer proficient in creating computers So from that time onward machines will be in control of the creation of new and better computers Same thing goes with computer programmers In the future there won t be any human computer programmers Machines will be far superior in designing new computer programming I don t think people quite understand this It s not a matter of cost or anything like that It s a matter of the human mind not being able to keep up with technology hence why we will just allow A I to takeover So personally I m not afraid of an A I takeover What I m afraid of is human behavior that will force machines to defend and protect themselves For a good example of such check out As I suggested above if humans see the AI behavior as aggressive and unpredictable and react defensively the AI might interpret that defensive posture as aggressive and in turn react defensively given they have a need to survive It s all a matter of perspective and when one side can t properly understand the motivations of the other all bets are off Your sunny view that humans

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m05-004.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    person s wish to remain a pure human In fact if I were to ever become like the gods via merging with machines I would actually dedicate my life to the preservation of the human species making sure that pure humans survive and defending them from say another of the gods who may think they have other plans for the humans As we progress far into the future where most of the population is cyborgs or have completely uploaded their minds into machines the pure humans will play less and less a role in society There will quickly come a time when they literally contribute absolutely nothing to society and are instead just like pets At this time they will become vulnerable to the gods who may wish to wipe them out use them as a resource or make them slaves That s why it s important to have friendly gods protecting humanity I ve even toyed around with the idea that I would need at least 24 young healthy specimens of each race in order to produce a healthy breeding population but perhaps that itself is too low a number I would quietly choose my humans abduct them against their will talking about a crises capable of wiping out humanity here and then transport them to a new planet in which I would have prepared in advance I would repeat the process as necessary I would not interfere per say with their development but I do know I would have to help them jump start their culture via agriculture language and the basics of civilization that same things that the old gods allegedly taught humanity But that would be it No more interfering In fact I would probably sleep most of the time only awakening when I am alerted

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m05-005.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    will be ever more high tech and most stuff will happen behind the scenes so folk will know even less about it And if AIs can do all the design and maintenance then their owners will increasingly rely on them so ending up ignorant of the nuts and bolts of their own life support systems and even of their wider ecology That s a recipe for disaster As they say any weapon you don t know how to use belongs to your enemy and so it is with software and hardware but the enemy could be non human AIs or corrupt gov ts or just bad luck 2 then there s another problem with the idea of cyborgs along with Kurzweil s uploaded super humans change is happening in all fields and there are serious predictions in the nearish future of quasi immortality to be obtained by one means or another And that s the problem if you make a choice too early say by going cyborg or up loading there might be no way back when they find a real immortality route Would you want to be trapped in a rusting metal case while everybody else moves into god

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m06-001.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    26 32 0000 Subject Re Artificial Intelligence snip That doesn t settle the realism anti realism debate in ethics of course but even anti realists about ethics acknowledge that the default position is realism snip anti realists face the burden of argument and we can assume moral realism is true until it is proven otherwise That isn t to say that it can t be proven otherwise or that it can rather that if you want to make claims about the likelihood of amoral or evil super AIs based on a rejection of moral realism then you better be prepared to argue for it at length and with sophistication Hello John Nope as you can see my position is that morality or ethics are evolutionary outcomes which have developed because they work to increase a species chances of survival It s as simple as that As you might also see a corollary is that a different species will necessarily have different morals ethics which are maybe not even understood by themselves just as most of us don t seem to understand the meaning origin or purpose of our own morals Cheers Ray D Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast

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  • Jim Penniston's Binary Code And Symbols
    it appears that an intelligent machine attempted to make contact with Penniston I say machine as the size of the UFO may exclude the potential for a crew As I view the experience I sense a machine intelligence attempting to communicate with Penniston and choosing a binary code with the hope that Penniston would be able to comprehend it I think the communication failed Since this was done telepathically I could only speculate that the machine lacked the ability to either transmit speech or direct thought as most occupants are reported to be able to do I am also quite skeptical of the interpretation given for the symbols that were etched onto the fabric of the craft I think humans have this weird tendency to think too hard and too imaginatively about things like this When I look at the symbols I see designations of the craft perhaps it s model and maker and even time stamp I do not sense any message to humanity in these symbols I would venture they have no meaning other than to that which services them I do not blame Penniston in the least I think he did the best he could under the

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m06-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • How To Create Simple Saucer Propulsion
    a flying saucer propulsion system Take a few hundred magnets 10 mm 0 5 inch or so balls Make strings of six or more magnets in each string but each string must have the same amount of magnets At first place all those strings on top of each other with the north pole in the same direction This give a massive pipe and I believe that it behaves just like dark matter Make again strings of six or more magnets in each string But now place those strings in a different way on each other Place the first string with the poles clock wise on the table and the second string anti clock wise on top of the first string and the third string the same as the first string etc For a while nothing shall happen but then suddenly some strings willl fly away and form bucky balls or spirals like star systems have etc The rest is up to you to find out but you have a flying saucer propulsion system Bert A W RvB Adres op website bert nul http www awrvb nl Twitter awrvbnl Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net

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