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  • Re: The 'Standard Model' Of Ufology
    obvious attempt by reason of publishing some up close citations of police local gov t offences here in the UK And Yes there was an attempted fit up by corrupt police but luckily I had impeccable colleague s travelling with me when stopped if not I suspect a plant and immediate frame up would have ensued At a subsequent interview which I demanded with the local police Chief he insisted it was a routine stop but just the one question from me to the police driver also at the interview made the Chief panic and shout to the officer Don t say anything that could incriminate us He d just realized from that one and only question that at least one corrupt entry had been made on the National Police Computer to enable justify a stop and frame up and he also realized that I knew about as much of the Police Computer and S O Ps for patrols as he did I have friends amongst honest police folk That panic was quite revealing considering I was alone facing two police officers in that interview with no other witnesses Thirdly the evidence of killings by gov t agencies is fairly compelling Someone off list queried the statement made back in 2008 at www ufoupdateslist com 2008 may m01 002 shtml about such things and I sent him the following Is Someone Killing Our UFO Investigators http tinyurl com bfxvmlf http tinyurl com a8bm6ec SDI Deaths http tinyurl com avcjxbw Google results for sdi deaths html and added a footnote on the treatment of Wilhelm Reich Fourthly had already started that long pole stirring up of the murky waters back in 2008 at www ufoupdateslist com 2008 may m01 002 shtml and subesquent replies to Stuart Miller s comments at www

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  • Re: Dream Of A Machine Brain
    Subject Re Dream Of A Machine Brain From Jason Gammon boyinthemachine nul To post nul Date Thu 10 Jan 2013 01 42 40 0500 EST Subject Re Dream Of A Machine Brain snip If you want to be honest about interpretations I would interpret it as a reminder from my unconscious that though I m more keen on these topics then many in Ufology are even though they are incredibly important and extremely apt with regard to our visitors that I m still a foolish human just like every other human So I m shown the holy grail of A I research the brain of a machine and I end up accidentally killing it LOL So what then was the necessary sacrifice This approving attitude was not an appropriate response if killing the AI was a mistake Beats me That s just how it was They show me this thing I reach out and break up the powder then they tell me I killed it and that it was the brain of a machine What I felt was that they weren t angry with my actions that it was a necessary sacrifice I have no further answers for you Jason

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  • Re: Dream Of A Machine Brain
    somehow useful Ah Jason the clue to meaning of the dream might be in the little Freudian slip in your post positron for position Perhaps you have been reading too much Asimov Or did I Robot the movie leave you with a subconscious fear of computers with the capability of changing the rules according to which they function Unfortunately the truth is more closer to a slip of the fingers on the keyboard than a freudian slip FWIW my own take on AI and its potential hazards is that deliberate human attempts to create AI will flounder for the foreseeable future simply because we are so far away from understanding what intelligence is and how it works Every time we pull off a neat mechanical trick in computing or the description of brain functioning we kid ourselves that we are on the verge of some big breakthrough that will lead to functional AI In effect we are like cavemen improving the wheel and believing that the next step will be manned flight That doesn t mean that AI isn t just around the corner My hunch is that AI will arise accidentally out of the nexus between computing and communications For example Adaptive smart agents embedded in telecoms networks to carry out self healing functions might start to evolve and communicate unobserved to form a networked brain that achieved consciousness self awareness and then intelligence at incredible speed compared with the development rates characteristic of biological evolution Self concealment might be have been programmed into the process by human agency as a result of something as innocent as a commercial requirement to minimise maintenance costs As the telecoms networks become increasingly pervasive power generation military drone and remote control warfare surveillance systems vast swathes of human knowledge electronically archived so

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    about to create A I and thus about to become gods ourselves I do have this sneaky suspicion that this process of splitting off has occurred multiple times in the history of humanity But I guess that would be better left to the science fiction writers to explore Jason Gammon I d like to add to this discussion I hope my comments are better late than never Intelligence could be defined as an interaction I between an individual A and something outside B the individual That something outside B could be the environment other individual s etc The interaction I infers in the individual A self awareness and other awareness and willingness to interact with the other B The interaction is the key to this definition of intelligence Please note that this is not a definition of life per se Based on the above definition intelligence exists if all these exist Intelligence 3D A I B This definition does not differentiate between biologics or non biologics Artificial intelligence could be included in this definition So could viruses So could humans So could planets and stars and grains of sand and elements etc Intelligence could also be measured as the comparison of how well two individuals A and B interact I This comparison isn t an IQ test It s only a subjective comparison of intelligences It could be seen as a ratio I 3D A B But this would only work as a measurement even if only subjectively if A and B could be quantified and their values be represented by numbers Due to the multitude of types of intelligence this ratio may not be reducible to numbered values or any subsequent fractional representation like 4 3 This relationship might forever remain only a ratio of each of the individual s labels for example red ant boy focusing sunlight on the red ant We might say the boy is the most intelligent of the pair because he s acting on the ant But the ant would also be acting interacting in response to the boy s act Each would show intelligence by the definition above But who can say which is more intelligent I d prefer to not be the ant in this interaction But judging by my personal past past behavior being the best predictor of future behavior I seldom control what will happen to me and even less give a thought to what my response will be It appears to me to be easier to define intelligence than to measure it Be that as it may types of human intelligences have been listed and measured most subjectively Here are some of the types that have been quantified for humans Agreeableness Bodily kinesthetic intelligence Conscientiousness Emotional intelligence Existential intelligence Extraversion Interpersonal intelligence Intrapersonal intelligence Linguistic intelligence Logical mathematical intelligence Musical intelligence Naturalistic intelligence Neuroticism Openness and Spatial intelligence These types of intelligences could be ordered as more or less important to a given situation among humans There have also

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  • Re: Artificial Intelligence
    of argument and we can assume moral realism is true until it is proven otherwise That isn t to say that it can t be proven otherwise or that it can rather that if you want to make claims about the likelihood of amoral or evil super AIs based on a rejection of moral realism then you better be prepared to argue for it at length and with sophistication Hello John Nope as you can see my position is that morality or ethics are evolutionary outcomes which have developed because they work to increase a species chances of survival It s as simple as that As you might also see a corollary is that a different species will necessarily have different morals ethics which are maybe not even understood by themselves just as most of us don t seem to understand the meaning origin or purpose of our own morals Hi Ray You re now simply asserting that moral realism is false without addressing any of the arguments in favour of moral realism or presenting any new argument in favour of moral anti realism As our thread has already covered the only argument you offered previously was that it is possible to explain the appearance of moral behaviour in the human species by appeal to evolutionary forces I responded by pointing out that explaining the appearance of moral behaviour in humans by appeal to evolutionary forces does not in any count against the claim that there are moral facts I drew the comparison of explaining light seeing behaviour in humans by appeal to evolutionary forces it is true that evolutionary forces enabled our species to see but that doesn t mean there are no facts about light There are a large number of extant arguments on either side of moral

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  • Re: Jim Penniston's Binary Code And Symbols
    of pages http youtu be p8L8BNqg9rk I m not denying that Penniston had a very unusual encounter nor am I denying the Rendlesham Bentwaters incident Instead what I am suggesting is that Penniston has fallen victim to the same process that plagues alien abduction research that of confabulation or the adding of additional information or details that were not actually a part of the experience With Penniston we also have to keep in mind that like all humans he is operating under a bias In Penniston s case he is biased against UFOs and aliens Penniston was also given sodium pentothal and underwent hypnosis in 1994 All the weirndness and problematic aspects to his claims have arisen post hypnosis What I am suggesting is that Penniston has been messed with and has also messed with himself I do not think it is a coincidence that Penniston came up with a story under hypnosis that matched his bias Now Penniston is writing a book and I will go ahead and give some of the information I was told about his claims Please keep in mind that this material may be incorrect but it is what is being talked about by people allegedly in the know Supposedly the visitors are us from the future circa 40 000 years The craft was a cyborg having organic components They are coming here to get our DNA because of some great tragedy that will occur in the future However the problem is that though they can travel back in time they can not travel back to the future So there is a problem there Other people other than Penniston have suggested they are building things like time capsules that are buried under the earth which will be retrieved by them in the future However every

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  • Re: The 'Standard Model' Of Ufology
    description of the cosmology problems were given by Tom Van Flandern http www metaresearch org cosmology speed of gravity asp The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say http www metaresearch org cosmology BB top 30 asp The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang Here s some more in no particular order www perceptions couk com uef ansci9 html sci trub scientist s critique the standard model of particle physics www perceptions couk com uef ansci8 html fake sci a list of science mysteries unexplained by standard models of cosmology OR particle physics www perceptions couk com creation html updates Why the Big Bang is probably wrong and why Gov t NASA lies to maintain a false paradigm www ufoupdateslist com 2007 mar m08 008 shtml Subject Smolin On Physics personal suspicions emerging re Big Science fakery www ufoupdateslist com 2007 mar m18 009 shtml comment on scientists and engineers might be the most devastated by the discovery of relatively superior creatures I e That someone would make such a statement is maybe only realistic but it s somewhat scary all the same link to the Brookings Report www perceptions couk com reports html 1961 brookings Summary today science

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  • Refuse To Acknowledge Everything' - Cox
    11 2013 at 4 45 Refuse To Acknowledge Everything by Billy Cox If De Void were still blogging about UFOs De Void would ve gone straight through the roof on Wednesday That s when author reporter Ted Gup s New York Times op ed piece on the CIA s double standard revealed his own glaring bias re The Great Taboo Gup who in 1992 described the top secret subterranean nuclear blast proof bunker for Cold War era government officials in Greenbrier County W Va was properly lamenting the erratic nature of what the CIA regards as national security The hook was the upcoming sentencing of John Kiriakou the first CIA officer convicted of leaking a colleague s name to the press It s a complicated story but aren t they all Gup blasted The Agency s arbitrary and selective application of secrecy by rattling off the names of employees who parlayed their own service to secrecy into book deals George Tenet Milton Bearden Bob Baer Tony Mendez Linday Moran Melissa Boyle Mahle and Floyd Paseman There was a time at the C I A Gup continued not so long ago when More at site Listen to Strange Days Indeed The

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