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  • Re: Binding Force Detector By Bill Beaty?
    fact that the various elements can be affected in perhaps opposing ways and more serious that the calibrating and measuring devices will be affected too probably cancelling out any real effect Interesting suggestions Ray but this all started with the ETs instructions to Wilbert Smith on how to design a measuring instrument for detecting regions of reduced binding force Smith says we were informed that means for detecting them were easily within our technology and that we should build suitable instruments and then pay attention to what they registered http www treurniet ca Smith BindingForce htm Presumably the ETs knew what they were talking about and they did not share your concerns Also the device that Smith built did work He found large areas where the meter showed significant deviations as did a military pilot flying the North Atlantic In the latter test the instruments took on a permanent deflection showing that the vortex drove them beyond their elastic limits Smith acknowledged the calibration issue but had to make do with an instrument that showed only qualitative differences among geographical locations snip Hello William Sorry I can t just accept other people s assumptions as you do about best methods for detecting the binding force or about the reasonings and motivations of their sources to me that s all unknown territory All I can do is start from fairly solid ground by defining the attributes of a binding force their graduated effects on particular states of matter and hence some ways of detecting those graduations of effect hopefully in real time and using reliable portable equipment Looking ahead it seems to me the best and most accurate method will involve monitoring the inertial behaviour of electrons which can probably be done in a pack of cards sized module someone might

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  • Re: Binding Force Detector By Bill Beaty?
    still show binding force variations based on the differential between steel and nylon s stress strain properties There is a problem with the Smith meter in that the nylon wraps around the spindle That is likely to cause friction problems with the spindle bearings and if the spindle is of small diameter compared with the spacing of the bearings there could be bending of the spindle as well I d like to suggest an Eleanor White version which is close to the Smith meter In my version there would be a plug of some sort of material which slides smoothly in the bore of the tube which houses the nylon line and spring placed between the nylon line and spring Brass maybe Or better delrin for less weight Fairly generous clearance between the plug and the tube There would have to be fittings on each end of the plug so both the spring and nylon line can attach securely under the working tension This plug which would be a cylinder would have a groove cut on a lathe into which a sensing finger from a good quality machinist s dial indicator would fit If the dial indicator was a spring loaded type the sensing finger would have to press against one side of the groove it could not be allowed into the groove with no lateral pressure This would ensure the dial indicator would be fully responsive to small changes in the length of the nylon If the dial indicator was not a spring loaded type then some design would be needed so the sensing finger button would fit into some sort of spring loaded detent in the plug so that the smallest movement of the nylon would show on the dial I would want a fully mechanical dial indicator

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  • Re: Klass' Infamous Theory About Valentich Incident
    be really surprised Hi Don No evidence exists that Klass was anything other than who he represented himself to be a hard core you could say fanatical disbeliever I knew him and had an extensive correspondence over two decades I spent more time on the subject of Philip J Klass than perhaps is good for one Much can be said in criticism of Klass s excesses and in his lifetime I a non admirer said much of it You couldn t say however that he didn t sincerely believe the stuff he dished out Hi Stan and Jerry I was often staggered by the simplistic simple minded really explanations of various UFO encounters made by Klass during his time at the skeptic helm Given the man s intelligence his was another of those weird personalities like Donald Menzel who would ignore 90 percent of a report while fixating on the other ten percent that could possibly explain the case away as something prosaic while ignoring their own training particularly Menzel whose background was in physics and astronomy Klass s background was technical but in each case these two were prepared to throw out their training in order to come up with ridiculous explanations I don t believe that either of these two were doing this out of fervent disbelief but were acting on another agenda They are gone now but others seemed to have stepped into the spaces they left behind Hi Don Unless somebody can demonstrate actual contrary evidence and frankly I doubt it exists the most obvious explanation for Klass s behavior is not all that complicated he was obsessive and fanatical in his opposition to the idea that UFO reports represent something other than hoaxes and errors The occurrence of obsessed fanaticism among our fellow humans is

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  • Re: The End Of Fake UFO Photos?
    25 0100 Subject The End Of Fake UFO Photos I m a non techie but this software pretty expensive in relation to UFOs looks interesting May I ask the geeks on this List Is it foolproof Will it mean the end of fake UFO photos and phony documents http verifeyed com http verifeyed com category blog http www youtube com watch v S0MU80sxvqw http www youtube com watch v HgQb 9SgenI The method depends on having fingerprints of known camera types and one may even need access to the particular camera that took the picture in question The technique also includes analyzing the image to for example find evidence that the image was compressed more than once My impression is that the methodology will give a probability that an image has been modified This will depend among other things on the quality of the fingerprint data and the degree of compression of the image Of course the company does not reveal exactly what their process is so accepting the diagnosis requires an element of faith I don t think the software will mean the end of fake UFO photos but it could help to weed out many hoaxes William Listen

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  • MUFON France's New Website
    Subject MUFON France s New Website Gerard Lebat writes to say that MUFON France s new website now under the direction of Jacques Patenet Director of MUFON France former head of Geipan is open for business at http www mufon France fr Cheers Ray D Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO

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  • Re: Klass' Infamous Theory About Valentich Incident
    Valentich Incident Hi Stan and Jerry I was often staggered by the simplistic simple minded really explanations of various UFO encounters made by Klass during his time at the skeptic helm Given the man s intelligence his was another of those weird personalities like Donald Menzel who would ignore 90 percent of a report while fixating on the other ten percent that could possibly explain the case away as something prosaic while ignoring their own training particularly Menzel whose background was in physics and astronomy Klass s background was technical but in each case these two were prepared to throw out their training in order to come up with ridiculous explanations I don t believe that either of these two were doing this out of fervent disbelief but were acting on another agenda They are gone now but others seemed to have stepped into the spaces they left behind My exasperation over explanations offered by skeptics caused me to become Skeptical of the Skeptics This skepticism on my part is embedded in the paper Prosaic Explanations the Failure of UFO Skepticism http www brumac 8k com prosaic1 html In that paper I recite how Klass was willing to disregard evidence

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  • Re: 1971 Costa Rican Photo Is Prosaic Object
    Toronto post nul Date Sun 30 Jun 2013 03 16 05 0400 Subject 1971 Costa Rican Photo Is Prosaic Object The much touted 1971 Photo Of An Alleged UFO Over A Lake In Costa Rica Actually Shows A Prosaic Object See For Yourself I decided to celebrate my recent 75th birthday anniversary by sharing with you something I discovered years ago The September 4 1971 photo of an alleged UFO over Lago de Cote in Costa Rica shows a prosaic object not an anomalous one FYI Thought this new reinterpretation of Ray Stanford s regarding the Costa Rican Lago de Cote UFO photo might be of some interest to you I forwarded a copy to Vallee who replied yesterday that he really didn t see the need to respond to Stanford s hypothesis as he s entitled to his opinion but that Vallee is too busy working on other things Ever the Gallic gentleman with the subtle put down and a pinch of plausible deniability Steve P S Click on the link in the UpDates message to see Stanford s graphic illustration as posted by Errol Bruce Knapp the List Moderator http ufoupdateslist com listers 1971costaricaanalysis jpg Listen to Strange

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  • We're Done Here, Now Go Away - Cox
    I may not agree with everything that he says on the subject but I do with much of it and respect all of his views about the remainder she wrote in an addendum to Clarke s parting shots I certainly know that he is nobody s puppet And I for one say thank you for his efforts Based solely on the evidence presented by UK authorities and the MoD s ostensible exculpatory transparency Clarke s obituary on that nation s ufology would appear well sourced But by pulling in some American Skeptical Inquirer types to fortify his position Clarke clearly overreaches in his alacrity to settle the worldwide UFO problem once and for all No room of course for the testimony of former Belgian Air Force general Wilfried de Brouwer concerning the F 16 scrambles during 1989 90 European wave or flight safety issues raised by former NASA scientist Richard Haines both of whom presented their evidence at a symposium just last weekend in Greensboro N C Truth is you could spend all night listing Clarke s points of omission and it wouldn t make a dime s worth of difference here Not when you forsake good data and credible witnesses for shopworn cliches as Clarke chose to My favourite quote of the whole two day media event he wrote of the reception to the final MoD document delivery came from the New York Times as follows Dr Clarke who has approached the UFO phenomenon from a sociological perspective noted that many UFO sightings came from the Scottish city of Glasgow between 10 p m and midnight around the time the pubs are closing Wow Drunk eyewitnesses again Fascinating Zzzz Clarke also took a few shots at fellow British ufologists Nick Pope and Timothy Good for holding preconceived beliefs in

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