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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    slow motion time 52 experienced memory loss for part of the event 46 experienced memory loss for some of their own behavior 39 experienced dissociation sense of detachment or unreality 26 experienced intrusive distracting thoughts 21 experienced saw heard or experienced memory distortion 17 experienced fast motion time 07 experienced temporary paralysis Many of the other features have a lot in common with what Jenny Randles dubbed The Oz factor in relation to UFO or other paranormal reports I think there is a strong argument to be made that these features are simply caused by fear or excitement generating a surge in Adrenaline I have little doubt that these perfectly natural and involuntary responses influence many witnesses accounts of what they saw in UFO reports I ve thought for some time that Randle s Oz Factor was the adrenaline rush in a crisis and the psychological shock it can create Others might describe the situation as surreal because it is outside the realm of what we normally experience I ve experienced this myself coming home one night and seeing burglars going through my window in my youth Rather foolishly and without thinking about the potential danger the autopilot aspect I also went through the window to stop them and got a sense of extreme detachment and slow motion time Luckily they fled out the back door So yes our perceptions can be distorted in moments of high stress but it doesn t mean something didn t happen I was being burglarized whatever psychological state I entered There was a recent plane crash at SF airport I ll bet most of the passengers and outside eyewitnesses experienced the Oz factor but the eyewitnesses turned out to be pretty darned accurate when more facts came out According to one passenger when the

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jul/m27-006.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: 1971 Costa Rican Photo Is Prosaic Object
    the search for and analysis of diagnostic hard evidence Of course that approach wouldn t sell as many books but credibility among physical scientists and aerospace engineers would likely result I think the Vallee photo analysis is excellent circumstantial evidence snip Scientific credibility and insight concerning AAOs will likely come only from physical hard data such as Trumbull is seeking as contrasts with the purely observational and via the science that examines it not from politics One might reasonably conclude that a Bassett has for years now been barking up the wrong tree Not only does this not make any sense it s not funny You must know through your own experience that hard data ex your missing metal fragments from Socorro can often be overlooked ignored or suppressed by both government officials and the UFO community As soon as I read your photo analysis I knew it was something that Bob Shell would like to examine Bob and I have exchanged letters for the last six years covering a variety of topics including UFO evolution and anthropology Below is my request and Bob s reply Bob You ll be surprised when you see my mailings to you this time I d thought you might find this photo case to your liking I had never seen it before until Ray Stanford brought it to the attention on the Updates list I ve enclosed his posting to updates and his explanation of the photos that Vallee analyzed I also enclosed Vallee s analysis and discussion of the photos which I found very interesting I thought you would too I think they show a disc either entering or leaving the water I d like to know what you think of the photos and Ray s debunking attempt I ll send your thoughts to the list if you wish Ed I don t like Ray Stanford s AAO It makes the same wrong assumption that UFO does that what s seen is an object in the common sense of that word Something you can knock up against Myself I have had three clear sightings of UAP Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in my life and I would not swear that any of them was an object in the common sense of the term One could not have been I can detail my sightings in a later letter if you like Anyway Ray Stanford commits the most common fallacy in photo analysis Simply because a photo looks like something that must be what it is Not so I well remember when experts proved that the famous surgeon s photo from Lock Ness was the tail and rump of a submerging otter Yes it looks exactly like that but that wasn t what it was It turned out to be a carved wooden head and neck attached to a toy submarine Yes the photo was a fake but it was not an otter Mr Stanford has shown convincingly that the UAP in this photo looks like the

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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    Oz Factor experiences Have you any idea a rhetorical question sadly that most people s responses to anomalous observations are not remotely so emotionally wrought as those felt in life threatening crises In my own case this as a lifelong anomalist I didn t even recognize the observation while in retrospect deeply strange as anomalous until sometime later after all other hypotheses had died for want of explanatory power Nothing about the experience was emotional intense frightening it was just puzzling If someone were about to shoot or stab me or if an oncoming vehicle were about to crash into mine none of the relatively blase above would apply though a variety of evolutionary mechanisms meant to trigger a response to extreme danger as opposed to a merely unusual stimulus would kick in That s why as I wrote in my original posting you re comparing apples to elephants Jerry Clark Hello Oz Researchers The Oz phenomenon does seem to involve the manipulation of time As I see it certain UFO entities can cause time to stand still within a certain rather large volumer of space surrounding the witness es and the UFO except that for the witness es involved

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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    darned accurate when more facts came out According to one passenger when the tail struck and broke off he saw some of the passengers ejected out the rear which he found unbelievable but turned to be true and other witnesses spoke of the plane seeming to cartwheel with a video later showing the plane doing a 360 on its nose before the rear crashed down again again pretty darn surreal Hello David I completely agree there is always a stimulus even if it is a Chinese lantern and the effects will vary across a group of people I have only seen the brief extract of Artwohl s book at the earlier link but several things occurred to me a Police are often assumed to have very accurate recall even under stress They are frequently cited along with pilots and service personnel as expert witnesses credible witnesses or trained observers in UFO reports including reports to the MoD b Police are more often in stressful potentially dangerous situations than the majority of society so it is reasonable to expect them to be better able to manage the effects of stress This may be true and higher levels of distortion or lower thresholds of stress may apply to the wider public c I am currently working on a report involving two people each of them have some common recall of the event but in some respects their recollection is very different including about major factors like direction They were stood next to each other known to each other and in familiar territory I am wondering if one of them was more susceptible to the effects of Adrenaline than the other Unfortunately I can t go into more detail for witness confidentiality and investigative protocol issues d The examples at the link involve

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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    03 12 0500 Subject Re Physiological Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline snip Joe Actually this is pretty much what I was expecting from you And you can expect more of it Jerry As always you will always think you are right even when you are wrong so there is little point in disagreeing with you Just as well I haven t mentioned kryptopyrrole oops Regards Koe Listen to Strange Days Indeed

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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    you have a case in some respects the percentages would be low where the effects you mentioned would be a factor I don t necessarily disagree with you Don What I am getting at is that it is currently an unknown factor rarely taken into account especially in regard to expert witnesses who are often endowed with supernatural abilities by investigators e g the ability to accurately estimate the height

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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    Of Adrenaline Hello Sarah Joe McG we don t know each other but I have to tell you in the time I ve been subscribed to this List you ve dropped so many straw men around the place that it s getting to be a fire hazard Thank you for the compliment Wait a minute did you mention fire and hazard I can feel the hairs on the back of

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  • Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of
    Sat 27 Jul 2013 17 14 47 0100 Subject Re Physiological Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline snip I think this kind of phenomena is best studied by university psychology departments where the skills and resources to reach valid conclusions are already in place Then again I can t see the likes of Jerry accepting what professor Chris French Dr Susan Blackmore or Dr Michael Persinger uncovers should any of them choose to take on such a project Unless of course they concluded that all witnesses are perfect in every way Nor can I see much prospect of you accepting what academics like John Edward Mack come up with One of my biggest problems with Mack and many other abduction researchers was his over reliance on what I regard as thoroughly discredited hypnotic regression GIGO In this instance we are considering measurable levels and effects of neuro activators Furthermore not until the professionals catch up with the facts and parapsychology is generally accepted as a valid discipline are we we likely to have university departments that will give the evidence a fair shake I m not so sure of that phenomena associated with Adrenaline rush have implications for the military emergency services

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