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  • Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast
    a single living cell Contemporary science has gained a lot of insight into how it might have come about but we still don t know all the steps Maybe we will never know That doesn t mean somebody who says we still don t understand is guilty of woo woo stuff or claiming it is magical Anytime someone talks about science being wrong not just our current comprehension but science being wrong they are unknowingly discussing magic But science has often been wrong because scientific knowledge is always incomplete Science evolves with new knowledge There are innumerable examples People who challenged the scientific paradigms of their day were not discussing magic but pointing out observed anomalies that didn t fit into contemporary theory Thus Newtonian gravity is not wrong but it is an incomplete description of gravity that breaks down when pushed to extremes So does general relativity that replaced it which doesn t work in the quantum realm Because if it does not fall into the category of science then it s by definition supernatural magic You are contradicting yourself Jason On the one hand you are arguing that they have technology that we don t comprehend therefore possibly outside current scientific understanding which by your just stated definition making it supernatural or magic but on the other hand you are arguing that it will someday be understood by science a hidden assumption therefore it isn t magic but if somebody says it isn t understood now then you say they are guilty of believing in magic and around and around we go This came up when you were arguing that alien telepathy must be a technology when I said maybe it was or maybe it was a naturally evolved ability perhaps enhanced by technology just as our own

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast
    09 42 26 0400 EDT Subject Re Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast From Jason Gammon boyinthemachine nul To post nul Date Thu 30 May 2013 20 31 29 0400 EDT Subject Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast In addition to what I wrote earlier today I want to add that it is apparent you haven t bothered to read my bibliography for The Alien Abduction Files Had you read it you d have seen my four references for David Jacob s books The bibliography is readily available at Amazon s site As my friend and colleague Stanton Friedman would say Why bother me with the facts My mind is made up If you re going to express criticism of someone s work you should do it with facts in hand Ms Marden I was not criticizing your book as I have not read it I was referring to your appearance on Coast To Coast on May 29 where you discuss among other things the astral plane astral projection raising one s vibrations and make multiple anti science statements This is not an attack on you as I have been interested in your prior work I think you have much to offer to this field but I do not think anything you do will be productive or add to our knowledge of the phenomenon if you continue in your current path To be the most effective and to further our knowledge you must in my opinion return to science and avoid the black holes of the New Age nonsense If you feel you are not the expert on technology especially the types of technology that might be behind telepathy mind control and even movement though solid matter then by all means seek out and consult with those who are Can

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  • Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'
    on how to build an experimental device to test antigravity propulsion Smith also said he was able to communicate with ordinary radio Yes this is also very weird to me as well but Grant is probably the authority on Wilbert Smith having all his known papers and talked to his family and associates and is a serious researcher who thinks out of the box and goes places I m afraid to touch because I don t have any idea on how to approach the material It also gives me the creeps But it is certainly interesting to think about Mrs Swan s psychic contacts gave rise to a fantastic legend about UFOs over CIA headquarters The legend which David mentions isn t true or more accurately is wildly exaggerated Nor is there any reason to believe Swan s aliens existed outside her head But according to Grant Cameron Smith the Canadian government the CIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence Adm Knowles connection took Swan and AFFA very seriously and were trying to establish communication with him even have him land at a Canadian base Paul Hellyer when he was Defence Minister back then had a hand in this It is also true that Swan was independently saying AFFA was telling her that they were in two large orbiting satellites this was early 1954 This eventually ended up on Eisenhower s desk Totally unknown to her astronomers Clyde Tombaugh and Dr Lincoln La Paz were engaged in a telescopic search or natural earth satellites funded by the Army In May 1954 Donald Keyhoe was saying his Pentagon sources were telling him they were successful in their search and had indeed discovered one or two such satellites Keyhoe in his books went further saying the Tombaugh search was triggered by new long range radar picking up these satellites in orbit Tombaugh in Hynek s 1952 astronomer survey told Hynek that his telescopes were at the disposal of the military to search for UFOs so Tombaugh being involved in such a search makes perfect sense As I mentioned before the orbiting satellite story broke in the mainstream media in August 1954 being first published in Aviation Week Magazine Then newspapers like the NY Times jumped in the usually UFO debunking Times getting a source close to the project to state that the story of the satellites was true though denying any flying saucer connection I have articles that post date this where the orbiting satellites story kept coming up Popular Mechanics ran two stories the following year probably disinformation claiming they had sources saying that the U S had secretly orbited two such satellites Of course this was nonsense as the first U S satellite wasn t until 1958 after the two first Soviet Sputniks of late 1957 Another interesting story from June 1955 came from conservative columnists Stewart and Joseph Alsop who first criticized the Eisenhower administration for lagging behind the Soviets in satellite development In the course of this they

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  • UFO Photographed Over Historic Edgemoor Barn
    Jun 2013 12 06 46 0700 GMT 07 00 Archived Sat 01 Jun 2013 08 15 37 0400 Subject UFO Photographed Over Historic Edgemoor Barn San Diego UFO Photographed Over Historical Edgemoor Barn http www huffingtonpost com 2013 05 23 san diego ufo n 3322134 html Terry W Colvin Ladphrao Bangkok Thailand Pran Buri Hua Hin Thailand http tlc brotherhood net TLCB Forum html guests welcome http terrycolvin freewebsites com

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  • Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'
    up only a few months after Smith s 1950 memo Unknown to me this was a joint program of the CIA UK and Canada who had their first meeting at McGill University in Montreal not far from where Smith lived snip Yes I ve thought the same thing myself Well I speculated that the motivation for MKULTRA was in response to the telepathy the warping of perceptions and mind control

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  • Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'
    intelligence chain of command which eventually ended up on Eisenhower s desk When Hill tried to talk to Swan about her abduction experience the very religious Swan refused to talk to her when Hill described the greys saying they were the evil ones whereas AFFA was one of the blond Nordics and one of the good ones Swan threw her out of the house Decades later not in the lecture Grant told me he also spoke to Mrs Swan and she was still calling the greys the evil ones and AFFA one of the good ones Grant told me she also said that she tried to warn the CIA guy not to try to establish mental contact with the evil ones but that is another story Allegedly the guy couldn t get them out of his head and went half crazy Wilbert Smith also claimed to be in telepathic connection with AFFA and was receiving information on how to build an experimental device to test antigravity propulsion Smith also said he was able to communicate with ordinary radio Yes this is also very weird to me as well but Grant is probably the authority on Wilbert Smith having all his known papers and talked to his family and associates and is a serious researcher who thinks out of the box and goes places I m afraid to touch because I don t have any idea on how to approach the material It also gives me the creeps But it is certainly interesting to think about Mrs Swan s psychic contacts gave rise to a fantastic legend about UFOs over CIA headquarters The legend which David mentions isn t true or more accurately is wildly exaggerated Nor is there any reason to believe Swan s aliens existed outside her head But according to Grant Cameron Smith the Canadian government the CIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence Adm Knowles connection took Swan and AFFA very seriously and were trying to establish communication with him even have him land at a Canadian base Paul Hellyer when he was Defence Minister back then had a hand in this It is also true that Swan was independently saying AFFA was telling her that they were in two large orbiting satellites this was early 1954 This eventually ended up on Eisenhower s desk Thanks for getting me to watch the whole lecture David I found it quite interesting though I harbor many reservations I will however wait to read Grant Cameron s promised book on Wilbert Smith for a fuller account of his views and the chain of evidence he applies to get there I will however say that while I certainly respect his research into Smith s life experience and belief I do claim superior knowledge of alleged psychic contacts with ETs simply because I ve spent a lot of time studying the subject s history I detect no evidence of Cameron s awareness of the matter which has a rich history in 19th

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m02-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • ICBM Launch Officer Capt. David Schuur Passes
    as it passed over each flight area by the reports on the PAS The object moved over the entire wing from the southeast to the northwest following the layout of the wing Schuur elaborated All of them Bravo Flight Charlie Delta right on down the line to Oscar were reporting sightings of this object Minot s missile field is laid out like the letter C Alpha is located southeast of the base and the other flights Bravo Charlie and so forth were south southwest west northwest then north of Minot Oscar the last flight is at the top of the C north of the base The object as far as I know it was only one object came across Alpha Flight then moved all the way around the flights and ended up at Oscar We could hear that on PAS At Echo it didn t come close to the Launch Control Facility it just visited the LFs silos then passed onto the next flight As far as our flight Echo a few minutes after hearing the report from Alpha I received a call from topside security that a large bright light actually a large bright object would be more accurate was in the sky to the east of the launch control facility When the guard called down he may have used the term UFO but I don t recall He didn t describe its shape or altitude because it was too far away It never got close enough to the LCF to see any detail At its closest it was two three maybe four miles away from us near one of the missile sites Schuur continued However when the object passed over our flight we started receiving many spurious indications on our console The object was apparently sending some kind of signals into each missile Not every missile got checked out by the object but there were several that did Maybe six seven or eight Maybe all ten got checked but I don t think so As this thing was passing over each missile site we would start getting erratic indications on that particular missile After a few seconds everything reset back to normal But then the next missile showed spurious indicators so the object had apparently moved on to that one and did the same thing to it Then on to the next one and so on It was as if the object was scanning each missile one by one The Inner Security and Outer Security alarms were triggered but we got those all the time for one reason or another However on this particular night we had to activate the Inhibit switch because we got Launch in Progress indicators After a few minutes the UFO passed to the northwest of us and all indicators reset to normal I wanted to be certain about what I had just been told I asked Schuur So if you get a Launch in Progress indicator does that mean the launch sequence has

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  • Is Our Universe Merely One Of Billions?
    Existence of Other Universes New Claims of Hard Evidence at http tinyurl com l783rff Quote Begins Is our universe merely one of billions Evidence of the existence of multiverse revealed for the first time by a cosmic map of background radiation data gathered by Planck telescope This past week the first hard evidence that other universes exist has been claimed to have been found by cosmologists studying the Planck data They have concluded that it shows anomalies that can only have been caused by the gravitational pull of other universes Quote Ends Some will recall this being argued at times in the past on the evidence of the WMAP results but this piece seems rather partial to me After all already scientists have said the evidence WMAP and Planck could equally mean the universe is much bigger than we think and that there s a very large attractor situated over the horizon somewhere which would account for the flow the unbalanced heat map of Planck and WMAP However there s also a very large and unexplained cold spot not predicted by the standard model There s many possible reasons for that some may be a bit sinister Cheers Ray D

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