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  • Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast
    natural ability picking up some sort of very weak signal out of the noise Having been on the receiving end of many repeating assaults which place them in the paranormal class but which are timed with incredible precision my impression is that advanced natural abilities use a class of physics advanced beyond that released to the general public and that the group responsible for the assaults have learned how the

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast
    possible and discussed the answers I received from them Are you suggesting that these highly respected physicists who ve worked at Harvard and MIT are out in woo woo land There has been much discussion recently about other dimensions parallel universes and other planes of existence It is all theoretical and highly speculative But I ve been asked to express an opinion about it along with religious belief systems so many times that I included a discussion of alternative hypotheses including psychological explanations in the last chapter of The Alien Abduction Files In the past I ve refused to engage in this type of speculation because I find it uncomfortable But I have addressed it recently What some consider mysticism others consider science It is in my gray basket But I will discuss what others have hypothesized when asked I have certainly not thrown western scientific materialism out the window I have merely stated that some abduction related phenomena cannot be adequately explained within the tenets of our current scientific paradigms For example how does one explain telepathic communication light orbs and passing through solid surfaces We d have to state that it is a figment of one s imagination Yet hundreds or thousands of individuals from around the world have described the same phenomena in conjunction with UFO abductions I disagree with your final assessment of abduction experiencers There is consistency that you couldn t possibly have knowledge of It is information that researchers such as myself hide from others We use it as a ruler to measure the veracity of one s claim I would never reveal this information Just as an aside approximately four years ago Budd Hopkins and I discussed my book I was apprehensive about writing it but he urged me to proceed I had

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast
    received from 3 theoretical physicists that I had consulted regarding information that several experiencers had passed to me independently I asked if it was scientifically possible and discussed the answers I received from them Are you suggesting that these highly respected physicists who ve worked at Harvard and MIT are out in woo woo land There has been much discussion recently about other dimensions parallel universes and other planes of existence It is all theoretical and highly speculative But I ve been asked to express an opinion about it along with religious belief systems so many times that I included a discussion of alternative hypotheses including psychological explanations in the last chapter of The Alien Abduction Files In the past I ve refused to engage in this type of speculation because I find it uncomfortable But I have addressed it recently What some consider mysticism others consider science It is in my gray basket But I will discuss what others have hypothesized when asked I have certainly not thrown western scientific materialism out the window I have merely stated that some abduction related phenomena cannot be adequately explained within the tenets of our current scientific paradigms For example how does one explain telepathic communication light orbs and passing through solid surfaces We d have to state that it is a figment of one s imagination Yet hundreds or thousands of individuals from around the world have described the same phenomena in conjunction with UFO abductions snip Hello Kathleen and Jason Apologies for interrupting but recent off line discussion yesterday gave an insight on the other dimensions debate That is although I d always dismissed the thought of other dimensions re thinking the premises outlined in Flatland by Edwin Abbott Abbott see http en wikipedia org wiki Flatland a stark fact

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast
    into the category of science then it s by definition supernatural magic You are contradicting yourself Jason On the one hand you are arguing that they have technology that we don t comprehend therefore possibly outside current scientific understanding which by your just stated definition making it supernatural or magic but on the other hand you are arguing that it will someday be understood by science a hidden assumption therefore it isn t magic but if somebody says it isn t understood now then you say they are guilty of believing in magic and around and around we go One of the more annoying things about humans is that we view ourselves as existing at the pinnacle of human technological development So even though we talk of beings that may be thousands if not millions of years more advanced than us we still act as if they are going to have technology that we can easily understand So when faced with the magic of the aliens the natural tendency of we silly humans is to invoke the supernatural to chase after nonsense like naturally evolved abilities and to throw out our science and invoke some mythical super science which is in fact nothing but a pseudo scientific wet dream This came up when you were arguing that alien telepathy must be a technology when I said maybe it was or maybe it was a naturally evolved ability perhaps enhanced by technology just as our own natural abilities such as sight or mathematical reasoning can be enhanced by technology We are currently in the primitive stages of technological telepathy Such form of telepathy does not invoke anything magical and is not dependant upon us achieving a new science http tinyurl com k4978zu The article above even mentions Brain Machine Interface a k a Brain Computer Interface BCI which I have been practically screaming here since like 2005 or so The aliens are using an extremely advanced form of this technology One that is apparently wireless and can operate despite large distances BCI is associated with so much of alien technology Telepathy mind control altering of human perceptions moving things with the power of the mind and even navigating the crafts all of this involves BCI http tinyurl com lyzhh7f As in the article above technological telepathy is also called synthetic telepathy or artificial telepathy I would probably be skeptical of telepathy ESP myself except that I ve had too many spontaneous experiences of my own where I have known of something unique and highly unusual happening in my near future that came true and other experiences like a strong impression of viewing something unusual a mile away which turned out to be true In more modern parlance these would fall under remote viewing which was extensively studied by Puthoff and Targ Their remote viewers did things that shouldn t be possible under current scientific understanding like locating a crashed plane in the African jungle or a person kidnapped by terrorists That

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast
    that portray what an object in multiple dimensions would appear to us as if it were to interact with our dimensions It s rather freaky looking nothing like flying saucers or aliens However the intersting thing to note is that one does not have to invoke time travel or parallel universes Any machine capable of travelling through deep space while abstrating fuel from space and capable of self repair can travel between stars without needing to travel faster than the speed of light and definitley without need to travel to another universe If you are familiar with Dr Eric Walker then you may know that it was his opinion that the aliens are not travelling here from a home planet He believed they have basis within the solar system possbily here on earth the moon etc I have certainly not thrown western scientific materialism out the window I have merely stated that some abduction related phenomena cannot be adequately explained within the tenets of our current scientific paradigms For example how does one explain telepathic communication light orbs and passing through solid surfaces We d have to state that it is a figment of one s imagination Yet hundreds or thousands of individuals from around the world have described the same phenomena in conjunction with UFO abductions This is what I m trying to communicate You claim it s beyond explanation within the scientific paradigm Where s the evidence for this Why have you either forgotton or dismissed technology Remember Arthur C Clarke it extremely advanced technology is going to look like magic Believe it or not humans are not currently existing at the climax of human technological achievement I disagree with your final assessment of abduction experiencers There is consistency that you couldn t possibly have knowledge of It is information that researchers such as myself hide from others We use it as a ruler to measure the veracity of one s claim I would never reveal this information Unfortunatley much of the information that was kept secret has been spilled I don t want to open a can of worms and name names on that so I will let that be However this isn t what I m referring to here I m cautioning you not to take what abductees or even the alleged aliens say or do at face value It doesn t matter if 2 000 abductees tell you something Why Because every single one of them is controlled and manipulated by the control freak aliens during an abduction So when all these abductees tell you of being shown images of some vague destruction on the planet you can not conclude that the aliens are positive and are attempting to prevent such scenarios from taking place For all you know those screens with the images are merely a diversion for the abductees conscious minds while their unconscious minds are downloaded for mind control programming So sure you can say that this is what abductees are reporting

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  • Marden & Stoner On The Paracast
    such To listen the archives are on http www theparacast com Gene and Chris explore the UFO abduction enigma with Kathleen Marden and Denise Stoner authors of The Alien Abduction Files The Most Startling Cases of Human Alien Contact Ever Reported Kathleen is the niece of the late Betty Hill whose abduction experience with her husband Barney has been regarded as one of the most credible such encounters Denise and her family including her husband report that they have been abducted repeatedly by strange entities It was encouraging that Denise is planning to set up cameras to monitor herself in the future As to references to interdimensional the astral plane and such the impression I got was that they use these terms as handy descriptors because mainstream science refuses to look into and provide official names for such concepts Entirely forgiveable in my opinion Personally if I found I needed to use such terms I might frame them in this way to make it clear that I was using them as descriptors for advanced concepts astral plane like seemingly interdimensional In no way did I get the impression from this interview that these authors and experiencers are New Agey These

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast
    as perceived to be mental telepathy might be possible in the near term given current advances in brain science Mr Gammon is right about that though even he must admit that such a human technology would not look or perform anything like what abductees report Continuing on along the right to the end of this continuum a dipping head would go straight to bunk skeptics who can not even admit the potential of near term brain science advances Along the left you d see a long tail where some physicists would gradually transition from the technological explanation to accepting the notion of PSI as a likely cause for claimed telepathy in abduction reports That s where you ve placed your bet on the roulette wheel of science and I find it a tantalizingly attractive explanation Again that doesn t mean these hypothetical survey results are right it just represents a consensus view Still we often see appeals to consensus on such matters as Global Climate Change it s a common argument But from this you can see why Mr Gammon would prefer the technological explanation to one of PSI It just seems more likely argument by perceived credulity The problem here is that it doesn t really explain the high strangeness factor of UFO and abduction reports So we re at an impasse We don t really have a mechanism of action for PSI yet there is tantalizing evidence for the existence of the effect Nor do we have even evidence for the use of PSI via abduction reports though it does seem the best explanation given the high strangeness range of reports But I have to admit I see the range of all three perspectives as useful in trying to understand the matter From PSI to technology to outright skepticism Holding all three perspectives simultaneously helps me juggle the matter into some seemingly rational framework even if that framework is wrong and I don t happen to know why lol To take a minor demon s advocate position because the devil lives on the far right of our continuum let s try to place Mr Gammon s perspective into a technological explanation Reports are that Grays mindscan by bending over abductees and staring into their eyes Reports are also that Grays use some kind of dark film sunglasses like lens covering their eyes Let s imagine a technology placed on the warped spherical surface of that dark film Made of carbon nanotubes at varying heights each of those nanotubes represents an antenna capable of emitting at a specific EM frequency Some of them emit microwaves capable of penetrating the eye to cause optical nerve firings Emission is of variable intensity and can shift from below threshold to threshold for firing of a nerve This beam is then deflection scanned across the nerve itself much like an electron beam from a CRT With considerable computation it s possible to imagine a technology that might elicit the kind of optical nerve

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  • Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast
    the table with regard to the visitors People use the term interdiminsional other dimensions etc as a synonym for parallel universe when the two are completely distinct For one thing we exist in multiple dimensions length height depth time although time is now being challenged as the 4th dimension So if there were life in extra dimensions it would likely exist in multiple dimensions as well If that life would then interact with our dimensions it would not appear as flying saucers and spacemen When we looked at it we wouldn t know what we were looking at It would appear quite odd and something quite foreign to our perceptions Not to mention that the other dimensions that are believed to exist are all completely rolled up so tiny that only subatomic particles could be effected by them or interact with them Also parallel universes are quite in vogue as of late However there are problems with them too If technology could be invented to transport one into a parallel universe it would not possess the ability to fine tune or choose a specific parallel universe It would all be chance And the thing about that is that if the

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