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  • Re: Seems UFO Pilots Are Getting Careless
    YYZ on a 747 400 What caused it was a static discharge while climbing through snow showers at about 6000 feet on departure There was a huge bang and flash followed by the wx radar failing We leveled off at 10 000 feet and accelerated to 300 knots to see if there was any adverse effect Since the aircraft felt perfectly normal we carried on to Toronto As we approached the gate the ramp hands were pointing at the nose When we got off we saw that the radome was pushed in as if a huge fist had punched it in the nose As it turned out the pressure from the rapidly heated and expnded air had done the damage The radar antenna had jammed I can t assess the explanation but a commentator on another site noted some plane noses are deformable by design giving this link to a patent which says An aircraft forward pressure bulkhead as described herein includes a malleable and deformable dome that is configured to catch foreign objects such as birds The dome is intentionally designed to deform in response to a foreign object strike that imparts at least a threshold amount of impact

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    of us experiencers give should help close the research gap and answer some questions For instance Kathy Marden s research should not be dissed I am one of those experiencers Seems it is very difficult to explain ET UFO experiences to so called scientist or amateur scientists those who read a lot of books and get them to open their minds to possibilities To me I am happy with the experiences I have had with UFOs ET throughout my life and sometimes I have to chuckle about all this einsteinium probabilities Can t we all share without negative replies My experiences include not seeing one up close but five UFOs I ve never posted on this forum before but do receive all of the posts As an experiencer myself with absolutely no doubt in my mind about the craft I ve seen I second Mr Emmons opinion Some posters go on ad infinitum about their own sacred opinions sometimes maligning belittling others ideas Mainly it seems to me they just like to spout alot of hot air just like to hear themselves expound Enough already I certainly respect your experiences whatever they were At the same time I don t know where you get the idea that it s only you who have a right to express a point of view There is no reason for Listfolk to surrender their right to expression just because you don t like what they re saying None of us well aside from me of course has a monopoly on wisdom Some people have well considered opinions others may be foolish and all shades between but this is a forum on which people get to hear them out and agree or disagree and then throw their ideas out there The hope is that somewhere

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  • Re: Seems UFO Pilots Are Getting Careless
    27 50 0400 Subject Re Seems UFO Pilots Are Getting Careless From Terrence Brown mrbrownsdi nul To post nul Date Mon 17 Jun 2013 00 49 42 0400 Subject Re Seems UFO Pilots Are Getting Careless From Ray Dickenson r dickenson nul To post nul Date Thu 13 Jun 2013 22 45 33 0100 Subject Seems UFO Pilots Are Getting Careless UFO hits Air China Aeroplane The source of the online reports seems to be The Aviation Herald http avherald com h article 463508bb opt 0 snip I can t assess the explanation but a commentator on another site noted some plane noses are deformable by design giving this link to a patent which says snip http www google com patents US20070164152 Therefore we should take care not to make too much of this snip Great that s good thinking Terrence probably more sensible and economic than a rigid armoured nose casing And from the references it seems that Boeing and Airbus are into it so we can maybe expect more of the same Cheers Ray D Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program These contents above are copyright of the author

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    but do receive all of the posts As an experiencer myself with absolutely no doubt in my mind about the craft I ve seen I second Mr Emmons opinion Some posters go on ad infinitum about their own sacred opinions sometimes maligning belittling others ideas Mainly it seems to me they just like to spout alot of hot air just like to hear themselves expound Enough already I certainly respect your experiences whatever they were At the same time I don t know where you get the idea that it s only you who have a right to express a point of view There is no reason for Listfolk to surrender their right to expression just because you don t like what they re saying None of us well aside from me of course has a monopoly on wisdom Some people have well considered opinions others may be foolish and all shades between but this is a forum on which people get to hear them out and agree or disagree and then throw their ideas out there The hope is that somewhere in this noisy process we ll get to some truth that may have eluded us otherwise Actually that s pretty much how all truths in all areas of inquiry are arrived at The history of free expression with which you ought to acquaint yourself demonstrates that debate is often cantankerous and impolite But the alternative namely an entire list nodding in agreement with you would be an argument that a forum like Updates may as well cease to exist Yes I find some posters irritating bombastic and wrong headed Yet I know some no doubt think of me in the same way God bless us all and let s have at it I can understand why experiencers presumably

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    abduction is a topic that the UFO community will never hold a unanimous opinion of I m not sure if you are aware of this or not but much of the UFO community is skeptical of alleged alien abduction The reason being is the lack of evidence With regards to alien abduction there are cases such as Betty Barney Hill s experience and the experience of Travis Walton which lead many in the UFO community to believe there is a genuine reality to the reported experiences This would be due in part to the evidence and or witnesses to the events However in most reported cases of alien abduction the alleged abductee is taken at night while they are in bed with there being no witnesses and no evidence These cases are the cases that many in the UFO community are exremely skeptical of Going further there are many differences between these types of alleged abductions There are other problematic features of the abduction phenomenon and with alleged abductees How do we know what is credible and what is it You mentioned legitimate abductess so therefore there must also be those who are not legit If there s no evidence then how can we know who is legit and who isn t Right now there are alleged abductees who have been busted time and time again hoaxing stuff yet they still recieve time and attention They still make the rounds on radio shows documentaries books and lectures People simply ignore the evidence they are con artists and view them as if they are the real deal Many people don t know this but Dr John Mack got out of the alien abduction work right before his death He did so because he concluded that alien abduction would never produce physical

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    forum before but do receive all of the posts As an experiencer myself with absolutely no doubt in my mind about the craft I ve seen I second Mr Emmons opinion Some posters go on ad infinitum about their own sacred opinions sometimes maligning belittling others ideas Mainly it seems to me they just like to spout alot of hot air just like to hear themselves expound Enough already I certainly respect your experiences whatever they were At the same time I don t know where you get the idea that it s only you who have a right to express a point of view There is no reason for Listfolk to surrender their right to expression just because you don t like what they re saying None of us well aside from me of course has a monopoly on wisdom Some people have well considered opinions others may be foolish and all shades between but this is a forum on which people get to hear them out and agree or disagree and then throw their ideas out there The hope is that somewhere in this noisy process we ll get to some truth that may have eluded us otherwise Actually that s pretty much how all truths in all areas of inquiry are arrived at The history of free expression with which you ought to acquaint yourself demonstrates that debate is often cantankerous and impolite But the alternative namely an entire list nodding in agreement with you would be an argument that a forum like Updates may as well cease to exist Yes I find some posters irritating bombastic and wrong headed Yet I know some no doubt think of me in the same way God bless us all and let s have at it Hi Jerry List None

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    it can if carried too far devolve into very peripheral and sort of pointless tit for tat kind of extended exchanges We all could OTOH do with less personal ad hominem exchanges I think the best rule to follow is don t write anything you wouldn t say to somebody s face Too many people use the online world to vent anti social impulses that they would otherwise be inhibited

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    From William Treurniet wtreurniet nul To post nul Date Mon 17 Jun 2013 13 19 13 0400 Subject Re Scattered Not Unified From Jerome Clark jkclark nul To post nul Date Mon 17 Jun 2013 08 45 54 0500 Subject Re Scattered Not Unified From Kathleen Brand katsdogs nul To post nul Date Sun 16 Jun 2013 17 02 01 0400 Subject Re Scattered Not Unified From Dave Emmons ddemmons5649 nul To post nul Date Sun 16 Jun 2013 11 14 24 0700 PDT Subject Scattered Not Unified I am pretty much in agreement with the substance of Jerome Clark s response above I disagree though that the alternative to a cantankerous and impolite debate is an entire list nodding in agreement I enjoy a well reasoned argument in a debate that is at the same time polite I too favor respectful disagreement in principle Who doesn t My point however is that free expression and debate often don t turn out that way and that enforced silence is worse than loud airing of contrary views Jerry Clark Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi program These contents above are copyright of the

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