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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    posts by others about dimensions for example were actually based on accepting the reality of the experiences Experiencers should see that as a plus snip Lest you misconstrue my words Mr Treurniet I did not imply that there was nothing to alien abduction I merely stated that is a well known fact something called confabulation Several abduction researchers have commented on this with regard to alien abduction Hopkins and Jacobs have both touched on this several times that is the difficulty in determining which part of the narratives are true and which parts are false For example Jacobs believes talk about the aliens faces being blurred or that the abductee is somehow prevented from seeing the faces is simply not true and he feels that if you push through with hypnosis that this has arisen in the mind of the abductee and was not apart of the experience In the absence of confirmatory evidence the use of the word confabulation is equivalent to the use of the word pareidolia The experiencer is said to be confabulating when he she describes something too odd to accept I suggest that like pareidolia confabulation is not an explanation but a succinct expression of ignorance of the facts I m not sure you properly comprehended my reply so let me try again Several abduction researchers have spoken out that parts of the abduction narratives are fantasy Jacobs gave an example of abductees who claim the aliens do something to them to cause their faces to appear blurry to prevent the abductee from seeing their faces The abductee usually responds this is done to lesson their fear Jacobs believes this is confabulation a fantasy the abductee has invented and added to the narrative Jacobs argues the aliens have shown their faces to the abductees many

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    faces being blurred or that the abductee is somehow prevented from seeing the faces is simply not true and he feels that if you push through with hypnosis that this has arisen in the mind of the abductee and was not apart of the experience This is but one small example and confabulation can become quite complex in detail with regards to other examples So what I was cautioning against is the mere acceptance of abductee narratives at face value Parts of the experience may be real and parts may be fantasy invented by the abductee and included in the narrative Thanks for bringing the obvious to our attention This is old think being recycled Rest assured that if the media focused their attention on this discussion your downgrading of the veracity of all of those affected by this phenomenon will instantly be suspect and all will be then confabulators I can assure you that none of those I interviewed back in the beginning were the least bit interested in public exposure but were indeed seriously affected by what happened to them some to the point of seeking psychiatric help Unfortunately a small percentage of the affected do confabulate identifying themselves with the phenomenon for other psychological reasons that have nothing to do with actual abduction The fringe will always be present whether they be be politicians or abductees Mr Ledger You have misunderstood me You are a confabulator as am I as we are both human Confabulation is the creation of a false memory something untrue A memory can be completely invented A real memory can be warped to include details even intricate details that were not part of the real experience Confabulation is a part of being human We do not store memories like in the manner of a machine We alter change add to and even subtract from memories constantly I am not denying the reality of alien abducton Nor am I claiming abductess should not be believed at all I am merely stating the abduction narratives told by abductees can not be taken at face value because they most likely contain confabulation This confabulation may be small it may be large and in some cases the entire experience may be confabulated The job of the abduction researcher is to separate the wheat from the chaff if you will and get down to the core real experience So let me give you a couple examples of confabulation Jacobs has spoken and written about how many abductees claim that the aliens do something to them to preven them from seeing their faces making their faces blurry These abductees who claim this usually add that this was done to them to prevent them experiencing fear and panic Jacobs believes this is confabulation as in it is something the abductee has invented a fantasy and not a part of the actual experience Jacobs has stated that if you push past this in hypnosis the person will realize it s not

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    seem to be all over the spectrum of UFO research scattered and not unified snip I ve never posted on this forum before but do receive all of the posts As an experiencer myself with absolutely no doubt in my mind about the craft I ve seen I second Mr Emmons opinion Some posters go on ad infinitum about their own sacred opinions sometimes maligning belittling others ideas Mainly it seems to me they just like to spout alot of hot air just like to hear themselves expound snip As an experiencer with many years of contact with different races I have closely watched this List and read many of the comments What is noticeable in some of the comments is the inability for some to think outside of the frame work of their mind scape as though if I can t fathom this then it can t be real I do not expect people to believe without evidence and neither do the races but personal contact as evidence has been provided to some on this list in certain cases The human collective consciousness journey is one of transformation the evidence provided to contacted individuals is very personal to them

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    an example of abductees who claim the aliens do something to them to cause their faces to appear blurry to prevent the abductee from seeing their faces The abductee usually responds this is done to lesson their fear Jacobs believes this is confabulation a fantasy the abductee has invented and added to the narrative Jacobs argues the aliens have shown their faces to the abductees many times before so it makes no sense to all of a sudden begin to mask their faces This would be one example of confabulation Confabulation can be simple and it can also be complex or intricate in detail Part of the abduction researchers job is to separate confabulation from the real experience However new abduction researchers may not be aware of this This is why we simply cannot take everything abductees claim at face value From the description given I understand that Jacobs tried to explain away what the abductee said as an invention i e confabulation simply because it did not fit the narrative he preferred or expected But there may have been a good reason for that deviation Perhaps the abductee was particularly fearful during this particular experience and the ET thought hiding the face would help allay the fear Or this was the first encounter with this particular ET individual and he was simply following ET procedure for first encounters In either case the report that the faces were hidden would have been true My point was that without ground truth data labeling a part of the abductee s experience as confabulation requires a subjective judgement that may not be correct The label should not be used to dismiss the experience as reported Otherwise the researcher would be adding his her own perspective i e making things up I suggest that

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    their faces blurry These abductees who claim this usually add that this was done to them to prevent them experiencing fear and panic Jacobs believes this is confabulation as in it is something the abductee has invented a fantasy and not a part of the actual experience Jacobs has stated that if you push past this in hypnosis the person will realize it s not true that they can see the faces Jacobs also notes that the aliens have shown their faces many times to the abductees in the past so it doesn t make sense that all of a sudden the aliens decid to mask their faces This is an example of a small bit of confabulation And you assume Jacobs is correct I don t Jacobs has his biases and I find some of his conclusions to be questionable How can you assume that people saying the alien faces are blurred are confabulating Because that s what Jacobs said For a possible example of a larger more detailed version of confabulation you may recall the experienes of the alleged abductee Betty Andreasson Her detailed spiritual experiences smack of fantasy inventions she created herself Now I know her case is controversial and that at least one alleged relative came forward saying it was a hoax However if she is a real abductee then her spiritualy related claims can be interpreted as being confabulation Now I m not saying she wasn t abducted I m not saying she hasn t had real experiences I m just saying the spiritual related claims of her experience are suspect and may be confabulation This is why we must be cautious when dealing with the narratives from abductees Again you are making assumptions based on your own biases instead of just listening objectively to

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m21-002.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    54 05 0400 Subject Re Scattered Not Unified Several abduction researchers have spoken out that parts of the abduction narratives are fantasy Jacobs gave an example of abductees who claim the aliens do something to them to cause their faces to appear blurry to prevent the abductee from seeing their faces The abductee usually responds this is done to lesson their fear Jacobs believes this is confabulation a fantasy the abductee has invented and added to the narrative Jason Below is what Jacobs actually says http www ufoabduction com memories htm The brain can take memories of aliens and turn them into more commonly conceived of images For example people routinely remember seeing owls raccoons monkeys snakes and even spiders when they were actually seeing alien faces Furthermore during the abduction event itself the aliens are quite accomplished at neurological manipulation which can result in the enervation of specific neurological pathways By stimulating these pathways the aliens can make people see things that are not there in objective reality These envisioning procedures take place in people s minds and have the appearance of reality Much more relevant to this discussion at his site http www ufoabduction com memories htm Ed

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m21-003.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Successor To Arcturus Books Open For Business
    phenomena ARCSTAR Books www arcstarbooks com is an independent online and mail order store devoted to delivering the widest array of non fiction books on unexplained phenomena through great personalized service We specialize in UFO and extraterrestrial literature and also offer a wide selection of titles covering topics including but not limited to ancient astronaut theory ancient civilizations crop circles the occult secret societies hollow earth cryptozoology and various supernatural and paranormal phenomena Our book and media selection includes new second hand out of print vintage rare and collectible titles If you can t find a title you are looking for let us know and we will find it for you We invite you to take a look at our online store and hope you make us your preferred source of books on unexplained phenomena Visit us at www arcstarbooks com Our aim is to delight our community with a thoughtfully curated book selection and great personalized service Knowing and maintaining a close relationship with our customers is important to us and a deeply rooted value you will not find at a big corporate store Next time you are looking for books or media on UFOs or other unexplained phenomena think of us Supporting independent book sellers like us is a statement and an investment in deep expertise and personalized service We look forward to serving you Until then never cease from exploration Monica Girard ARCSTAR Books www arcstarbooks com Historial Background From The Web Site Ever since we can remember we have looked up to the night sky and wondered about the existence of life in other worlds The idea of civilizations in other planets and dimensions was quite natural for us News reports of unexplained aircraft and visitors from outer space grabbed our attention and sparked our curiosity

    Original URL path: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jun/m21-004.shtml (2016-02-13)
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  • Release Of 'Remaining' MoD UFO Files
    release is now available at http ufos nationalarchives gov uk We can expect the usual media frenzy One additional feature is an app for the Iphone see http tinyurl com lzmuodx itunes apple com though how much use it will be remains to be seen the GIGO principle applies I think Garbage In Garbage Out Joe Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At http www virtuallystrange net ufo sdi

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