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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    To post nul Date Wed 19 Jun 2013 16 43 55 0400 EDT Subject Re Scattered Not Unified snip And you assume Jacobs is correct I don t Jacobs has his biases and I find some of his conclusions to be questionable How can you assume that people saying the alien faces are blurred are confabulating Because that s what Jacobs said Because Jacobs presses forward with hypnosis and catches them According to Jacobs if you press forward with hypnosis on this subject the abductee realizes it s not true and they can see their faces Apparently they just need help from the researcher for them to realize it s not true Sorry Jason but once you get into the territory of researchers using hypnosis help abductees to realize what s true then you are skating on the thinnest of ice By definition good subjects self select on the basis of suggestibility and that in itself should be enough of a warning As medical science progresses increased sophistication in our ability to switch certain neural circuits on and off narcoanalysis will start to look like a much better bet Of course the accompanying strictures over the qualification of researchers to

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  • Re: Release Of 'Remaining' MoD UFO Files
    11 37 45 0100 Subject Release Of Remaining MoD UFO Files Well the final release is now available at http ufos nationalarchives gov uk snip the GIGO principle applies I think Garbage In Garbage Out I would have thought that you enjoyed the media frenzy and the attention So now the real work begins prying loose the good stuff but good luck with that As for GIGO it s more like Concerned Reports In Garbage Out CRIGO Right Don The Gov t M o D and media presentation of this release closure was almost unbelievable for its contradictions For a start their comments omit all mention of the long list of sensitive military sightings in UK from 40 s and 50s onwards And in my own region they ve glossed over several events here s two Dyfed Triangle UFO sighting from 1970s http www bbc co uk news uk wales 18798867 UFO spotted by police helicopter http news bbc co uk 1 hi wales 7465041 stm and maybe significantly the Press have now completely forgotten one event Berwyn Mountains Incident http tinyurl com n524wwu where as you might see Gov t M o D used several of their resources police RAF Army UK s Geological Service and a fake de bunking ufologist for deception and obfuscation of the various events of that night which included a co incidental meeting of two opposing course meteors over the site an earthquake at the site noise lights observed by hundreds of locals an apparently crashed landed UFO seen by reputable witnesses and then a massive search rescue cum wreckage reclamation or investigation by the military all subsequently misrepresented or denied Here s a message from an angry investigator of that Berwyns Incident with links www perceptions couk com metamail92 html debunks But it

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  • Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'
    push the button on my remote Both routes may perhaps produce results if time is not a factor to consider As far as usefulness and ability to replicate or reproduce the action I believe technology is what we should focus on Sure there have been various studies on alleged psychic powers It s illuminating that you do not completely rule out the possible existence of advanced psychic powers in humans If humans could have it then why not the ETs They might be more proficient at it than we are The reality of such magical abilities and a physics we don t yet understand has been demonstrated often For example it is indicated by the German medium Kai Muegge in a recent report entitled PHYSICAL MEDIUMSHIP UNDER STRICT SCIENTIFIC SCRUTINY 2013 Sittings of Historical Significance Prof Stephen Braude with stills from the Video Evidence http tinyurl com ny9t7xr Among other things the medium writes The second sitting was meant to film the full table levitation under full control of the medium and his wife After an hour of very active table movements and partial levitations the full levitation was first happening in the dark before the red light was switched on to have it on film What then was recorded we believe may represent the most persuasive film document of a table levitation especially when it is known under which circumstances it was made and who had sat at the table The study was led by Dr Stephen Braude the chief editor of the J of the Society of Scientific Exploration A professional film maker was present to document the effects produced in the seances If levitation of a heavy table is possible by psychic means then operating a tv remote should eventually be possible too However we are currently in the infant stage of artificial or technological telepathy I don t know why so many UFO researchers pretend as if this and similar advances are not happening or are somehow not of concern And for those out there who think that the answer is a mixture of both routes technology with advanced understanding of alleged psychic powers then my question would be why Why still cling to naturally evolved telepathy when technology does not require any alleged supernatural power of the human mind Those researching technological telepathy are not researching alleged human telepathy Let s use vision as an analogy for telepathy Some of us cannot see well at all We can improve things by wearing glasses or if the eyes are really defective we can wear a device that puts a lo res tactile image of a scene on the skin Wearing glasses is analogous to the tensor beam device Smith described that appears to enhance the input to an existing telepathy system The tactile image is analogous to the BCI system you mention below since an alternative input mode is used Both approaches are possible and no one is denying at this point that the BCI system

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  • Re: Sightings Trebled In 2009 As MoD Axed X Files
    Source DailyMail Com http tinyurl com lvhujph 21 June 2013 How Strange Sightings Trebled In 2009 When MoD Axed Its X Files Hotline By Claire Ellicott From cigar shaped spacecraft in the night sky to abduction by aliens they are the tales that have captivated the imagination of Earthlings for nearly a century And now the Ministry of Defence has revealed its latest batch of reports from people claiming a close encounter in the UK The sightings only go up to 2009 as that was the year the British X Files desk was closed Spookily that year also saw a trebling in the frequency of UFO reports the newly declassified files show More than 600 alien experiences were reported to the MoD s UFO hotline more than double the previous year and three times the usual number according to the papers released by the National Archives More at site Does anybody know how many of the released MOD reports had been classified SECRET or TOP SECRET Remember that USAF General Carroll Bolender stated that Reports of UFOs which could effect national secruity were not part of the Blue Book System Stan Friedman Listen to Strange Days Indeed The PodCast At

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  • UFO Magazine To Publish John Ford Issue
    Alfred Lehmberg directly and have recently discussed it with John Ford as well John is ecstatic and speechless to say the least as he has no words to describe his tremendous gratitude towards Bill and Nancy for engaging in a project like this with UFO Magazine Alfred has told me that the deadline for getting an article in to the magazine for consideration and publication would be two weeks away so I suggest you guys get the ball rolling sooner than later Do not leave it until the last minute There s a lot involved with banging out a magazine publication and Bill and Nancy put a lot into this with regard to the fact that there is both a printed and online version I am contacting Peter Moon and Jerry Cimisi directly as I write this John Ford has already begun writing his article Due to limitations on his end he will be writing his in longhand Article Submission guidelines Article submissions should be submitted within two weeks in electronic format by email directly to Alfred Lehmberg at alienview nul Make sure your email subject line reads UFO Magazine John Ford Issue Thank you for your time interest and

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  • Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'
    is transferred As I indicated when given the choice between something unreliable versus reliable what choice would you make The reality of such magical abilities and a physics we don t yet understand has been demonstrated often For example it is indicated by the German medium Kai Muegge in a recent report entitled PHYSICAL MEDIUMSHIP UNDER STRICT SCIENTIFIC SCRUTINY 2013 Sittings of Historical Significance Prof Stephen Braude with stills from the Video Evidence http tinyurl com ny9t7xr Among other things the medium writes The second sitting was meant to film the full table levitation under full control of the medium and his wife After an hour of very active table movements and partial levitations the full levitation was first happening in the dark before the red light was switched on to have it on film What then was recorded we believe may represent the most persuasive film document of a table levitation especially when it is known under which circumstances it was made and who had sat at the table The study was led by Dr Stephen Braude the chief editor of the J of the Society of Scientific Exploration A professional film maker was present to document the effects produced in the seances If levitation of a heavy table is possible by psychic means then operating a tv remote should eventually be possible too I do not find table floating to be of interest nor to be convincing evidence It is a standard performance that arose in the beginning of modern spiritualism It s kin are table rapping ectoplasm and apports Even the remote viewers took great lengths at first at least to separate themselves form what was perceived as pseudo scientific nonsense Later the programs would degrade into bringing in tarot card readers crystal ball gazers and self styled witches yet people wonder why the programs were canceled However we are currently in the infant stage of artificial or technological telepathy I don t know why so many UFO researchers pretend as if this and similar advances are not happening or are somehow not of concern And for those out there who think that the answer is a mixture of both routes technology with advanced understanding of alleged psychic powers then my question would be why Why still cling to naturally evolved telepathy when technology does not require any alleged supernatural power of the human mind Those researching technological telepathy are not researching alleged human telepathy Let s use vision as an analogy for telepathy Some of us cannot see well at all We can improve things by wearing glasses or if the eyes are really defective we can wear a device that puts a lo res tactile image of a scene on the skin Wearing glasses is analogous to the tensor beam device Smith described that appears to enhance the input to an existing telepathy system The tactile image is analogous to the BCI system you mention below since an alternative input mode is used Both approaches

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    2013 15 00 38 0400 Subject Re Scattered Not Unified From Jason Gammon boyinthemachine nul To post nul Date Wed 19 Jun 2013 16 43 55 0400 EDT Subject Re Scattered Not Unified snip And you assume Jacobs is correct I don t Jacobs has his biases and I find some of his conclusions to be questionable How can you assume that people saying the alien faces are blurred are confabulating Because that s what Jacobs said Because Jacobs presses forward with hypnosis and catches them According to Jacobs if you press forward with hypnosis on this subject the abductee realizes it s not true and they can see their faces Apparently they just need help from the researcher for them to realize it s not true Sorry Jason but once you get into the territory of researchers using hypnosis help abductees to realize what s true then you are skating on the thinnest of ice By definition good subjects self select on the basis of suggestibility and that in itself should be enough of a warning As medical science progresses increased sophistication in our ability to switch certain neural circuits on and off narcoanalysis will start to look like a much better bet Of course the accompanying strictures over the qualification of researchers to employ such methods without proper medical credentials will spoil the fun for curious amateurs of every stripe No bad thing in my view Mr O Connell you misunderstood me I was not writing to those who are skeptical of alien abduction or skeptical of the use of hypnosis If you are either of these then of course you are going to find problems with what I wrote So I wasn t attempting to prove the reality of alien abduction or the use of hypnosis to

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  • Re: Scattered Not Unified
    he gets them to realize they can see the faces after all So which memory is more likely to be true My point was that without ground truth data labeling a part of the abductee s experience as confabulation requires a subjective judgement that may not be correct The label should not be used to dismiss the experience as reported Otherwise the researcher would be adding his her own perspective i e making things up That issue may arise in a scenario but in this example it s not apt I think it is especially if hypnosis was involved in arriving at the truth I suggest that unless a person is prone to serious mental aberrations or known to be lying his her claims about what happened during an alien abduction experience should actually be taken at face value But the claims should not be judged as true or false until there is a better understanding of the phenomenon Ufology is in such a sad state that even when an alleged abductee is caught lying caught hoaxing even on multiple occasions the person is still paraded around as if they were 100 legit So obviously your take would not help us much Abductee claims in common should lead to only interim conclusions about the how and why of what s happening This is because alien intelligences seem to be involved and by definition are unpredictable from a human perspective An abductee s claim that is unsupported because it is truly a confabulation should fall away over time without being so labeled I disagree with the notion that false memories fall away with time How can they fall away if the person doesn t realize the memory never happened or has been altered It is my belief that unless work is

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